What happend to the alkali unit?

[bobcat]

I agree. What I don't get is why when the subject of permit only deer and/or elk hunting comes up people say there's no way that will work in this state or something similar. Why not? And huntnphool will get on me for asking the same thing over and over and over. Well, so far nobody has come up with a reason as to why we can't have limited deer and elk hunting rather than no limits whatsoever (the way it is now.) Other states do it, and we do it with other species (moose, sheep, and goats.)  Why not with deer and elk? People say we will discourage new hunters and the number of hunters will decrease over time. Yeah, maybe, but won't the same thing happen if there are no deer or elk to hunt?

[huntnphool]

I just get angry and frustrated when I see a problem such as Central Washington Mule Deer which is very legit (ie 50% depletion) and the first thing people say is "But what about me."  I just think that that is very selfish.  I think our goal in regards to hunting should be to leave our children with better hunting than we have now.

But the way you come across, it all needs to be fixed at the hunters expense, when in reality there are bigger problems that need to be addressed. There already has been a dramtic decrease in hunters numbers and time in the fireld over the last several years and yet the animal numbers continue to decline, maybe its not just the hunters creating this? Why not start with solutions to these other problems first and then if the numbers are still not increasing to your liking, then think about reducing the number of hunters. Problem is you already know the answer to that, the other problems are too political and wont be touched so whats left, try increasing the heards by elimination of the hunters. Isnt that what Gregoir and all the anti's want anyway? Sounds like your falling right in line.

[colockumelk]

I know there are some bigger problems.  But before we point fingers we need to look in the mirror first and fix ourselves.   And letting hunters hunt a herd that's been decimated by 50-70% doesn't help things it only hurts things.  Shouldn't we be more responsible and push for giving the herd a chance instead of being greedy and wanting to kill them all ourselves.

One of the biggest problems is road access.  Yet there again everytime I mention that road access is a huge contributor to poaching of both kinds and creates a lack of escapment to animals.  Or how we need to limit some access to give animals a chance.  I get blasted about trying to take rights away etc.  It all boils down to being selfish and lazy.  Even though closing a road down may help stave off poachers and help a herd out I get blasted because God Forbid someone has to get off of their 4wheeler.  No it's all about me, me, me.  Everyone wants a better hunting season and more animals and better animals and we all complain about what the WDFW does or doesn't do.  We complain about the Indians but NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE is willing to take the first step on what needs to be done to create positive change.  So instead all three user groups fight each other over scraps, and we fight the WDFW and the Indians.  Maybe it's time we come together, suck up our pride and take that first step.  I'm not angry at individuals I'm angry at hunters as a whole sometimes.  We can be our own worst enemy.  Thankyou all who have contributed. I respect everyones opinions.  Thankyou. 

[huntnphool]

We complain about the Indians but NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE is willing to take the first step on what needs to be done to create positive change.

 Pretty bold statement right there, I for one have not been shown what needs to be done so how can I participate?

 How about you step and show us, I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one that would "take the first step" if shown the direction.

 There is also the wolf issue, how do you propose we fix that cluster f@#&?

[sako223]

Now that WDFW is declared whole for another year, we need to get on them like a pit bull and address these issues. We all seem to know season/harvest cuts are coming. Lets try to make it something we can live with.

[huntnphool]

Now that WDFW is declared whole for another year, we need to get on them like a pit bull and address these issues. We all seem to know season/harvest cuts are coming. Lets try to make it something we can live with.

 

[huntnphool]

This would make for a great conversation at a local watering hole, anyone have a central location favorite?

[colockumelk]

There is also the wolf issue, how do you propose we fix that cluster f@#&?

What my opinion on that matter is can not be said on here since it could be used to incriminate me.   

Hunt your right it was a pretty bold statement.  But like Patton said "Fortuna Favet Fortibus" which is latin for Fortune Favors the Bold.  As far as the first step, I would never make that without the support of you all and without having come together and hash out a well thought out plan.  After weighing pros and cons.  Something like Sako said, "Something we could all live with" because whether we like it or not I do believe like Muleyguy said that change is going to come sooner or later.  And the sooner we come together with a plan the better chance we have of guiding the WDFW to something that we can all live with.  IE keeping as much rights as possible.  This is why I want to talk about this stuff.  You all have brought up really good points and ideas.  Again thankyou. 

[colockumelk]

Muleyguy you were right.  Keep the doe harvest down.  I did some research.  Some, does need to be killed but not a whole lot.  So you have changed my mind. 

[luvtohnt]

I know there are some bigger problems.  But before we point fingers we need to look in the mirror first and fix ourselves.   And letting hunters hunt a herd that's been decimated by 50-70% doesn't help things it only hurts things.  Shouldn't we be more responsible and push for giving the herd a chance instead of being greedy and wanting to kill them all ourselves.

One of the biggest problems is road access.  Yet there again everytime I mention that road access is a huge contributor to poaching of both kinds and creates a lack of escapment to animals.  Or how we need to limit some access to give animals a chance.  I get blasted about trying to take rights away etc.  It all boils down to being selfish and lazy.  Even though closing a road down may help stave off poachers and help a herd out I get blasted because God Forbid someone has to get off of their 4wheeler.  No it's all about me, me, me.  Everyone wants a better hunting season and more animals and better animals and we all complain about what the WDFW does or doesn't do.   

EXACTLY, it all comes down to selfishness, and laziness. No one wants to alter their way of living to benefit the wild animals. If everyone had a frame of mind that we as hunters need to do what is good for the herds we would be better off. But instead we rely on the WDFW to tell us how they are going to better the herds, and than all we can do is bitch about it.

Brandon

[sako223]

EXACTLY, it all comes down to selfishness, and laziness. No one wants to alter their way of living to benefit the wild animals. If everyone had a frame of mind that we as hunters need to do what is good for the herds we would be better off. But instead we rely on the WDFW to tell us how they are going to better the herds, and than all we can do is bitch about it.

In general this may be correct for some people. Considering I have never had a tag at YTC and there are plenty of roadless areas there, YTC is simply another Trophy Unit failure by the WDFW. With limited access poachers have resorted to boundary access and horses at night. So roads don't kill the deer people do.  Predators take their toll. Then we have personal agendas by biologists to deal with, along with other multi agency projects. 
Hunters have not and will not agree on anything that is a self imposed cut. Letting WDFW do it gives them someone to blame. Typical learned political attitude.

[WDFW-SUX]

I saw 75 cyotes out there one morning no joke.

[Pathfinder101]

I saw 75 cyotes out there one morning no joke.

No way THAT'S affecting the doe/fawn ratio....

[trophyhunt]

It is a good place to hunt yotes, the bio who used to work there in couraged us to come back and hunt the dogs. We were drawn two years in a row there and saw plenty of them.