Multi Season Permit

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

I guess i am not understanding how not having a ghost option would make it more fair?
If the state had a ghost option for the multi season not as many people would apply because they could get a point, so when they had the money they could apply when they thought they had a real chance of drawing it. Instead of mudding down the odds and then not having the money when drawn.

What i am tired of is people taking everyones opinions personally, i state my opinions and if you don't like them remember i was not attacking you personally just stating my opinion.
 My dad told me long ago that If you can't control it "don't worry about it". About the only good advice he ever gave me.

[MtnMuley]

I am just as serious a hunter (if not more so) than any of you guys, I just lost my job due to no fault of my own and will not sit out the season just because it might cause me to go without a few things. I do not feel sorry for a bunch of cry-babies aren't lucky enough to be drawn.
Complaining about how unfair the system is because you don't feel treated fairly because you have a larger budget than I do, and feel that I should sit out "to give somebody else a better chance this year who is ready to put the tag to good use." is reprehensible, what gives you the idea that I couldn't use the opportunity ?

Looks to me as if you quoted a few of my statements.  I was refering to "serious" as a person who is serious of putting up the $180 if drawn, not one who is concerned if they will have the money or time.  As for the "to give somebody else a better chance this year who is ready to put the tag to good use" statement,  if this isn't your year to do it, don't do it.  I've had many of years like that and I sure didn't cry around about it.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

Sorry if I offended you, but that is the whole point, I AM SERIOUS about putting up the money, if drawn. I did not want to. As far as time, the tag gives you the time, that is the whole purpose of the permit.
It is just that I would have rather recieved my point, donated my money to the pool, not affected anyone elses chance of getting drawn, etc.
And I seem to be getting flack....

[KimberRich]

Sorry if I offended you, but that is the whole point, I AM SERIOUS about putting up the money, if drawn. I did not want to. As far as time, the tag gives you the time, that is the whole purpose of the permit.
It is just that I would have rather recieved my point, donated my money to the pool, not affected anyone elses chance of getting drawn, etc.
And I seem to be getting flack....

You've got a good point and there should be an option for a ghost point.  Your intentions are good!  :)If people would read through the entire thread before posting something rude they might realize what the heck is going on. 

[MtnMuley]

Jeez Kimber, I've read the whole post twice and never said anything rude until I was quoted twice as if I was directing negativity toward somebody.  My original statement was my thoughts on: if you should apply for a multi season tag.  IMO they should have 1) Ghost points and 2) Money ($180) up front if you're applying for the tag, not just a ghost point.  Again, my original statement is based on how the system is run at the moment.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

I quoted you only because you were the most recent post, you were not the only one that was saying stuff that I took as insensitive.
I have been purchasing tags and applications since 1978 and they used to ask for all the money upfront, no points either.
 I did it, but didn't like it and was glad when they changed it.
Every 3 years they make changes and lots of people complain (even me), but I actually have seen more branched bulls and 3 point and better deer in the area I hunted for 20 years than ever,And have been lucky enough to have been drawn 4 times for Elk and 3 times for deer, and now my first time for spring bear, and hopefully for my Multi Elk (I sold one of my guns)
The system is run the way it is because the other way didn't work.

[MtnMuley]

The system is run the way it is because the other way didn't work.

They look for new ways to make more money is the bottom line.

[KimberRich]

Jeez Kimber, I've read the whole post twice and never said anything rude until I was quoted twice as if I was directing negativity toward somebody.  My original statement was my thoughts on: if you should apply for a multi season tag.  IMO they should have 1) Ghost points and 2) Money ($180) up front if you're applying for the tag, not just a ghost point.  Again, my original statement is based on how the system is run at the moment.

Wasn't aiming that at anyone.  Sorry if it seemed that way..    Just seemed stiknstringbow was getting frustrated and I've been there many times with people chiming in on page 6 of a thread busting my balls when they have no idea what's going on.     I agree with you on the fact that they should have a ghost points option but not sure if money up front would cure the issue.  Not sure if I already said this earlier in this thread or not but.. Montana asks for $$ up front and still has to do supplemental drawings for returned tags.  

[MtnMuley]

To me, money up front  would just mean no second or third drawing for the leftover tags until they reached their quota.  This in turn would allow you to plan other hunting trips and not have to wonder if you will be selected in the later drawings.  This happened to me the first year of multi elk.  I was drawn the third go around and I never paid attention to the letter I got in the mail the third time until it was too late. Didn't matter as I had already planned around it, but it cost me a point.

[bobcat]

Why should there be a ghost point option? If someone wants a multi season permit, then apply. If not, don't apply. I think preference should go to people who WANTED a permit and didn't draw it. Not people who donated $5 to the state for several years. The only reason for a points option would be to increase the WDFW's revenue.

[MtnMuley]

I agree to an extent, bobcat.  However, it would still be nice to maintain ground with the points if you choose to hunt out of state during most of the fall though for a year though.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

It also seems like a lot of people like to bring up other states, some states have tags that require you to build points up also in order to draw, I see nothing wrong with this state having the same...
Other states have less residents, more public land, more animals, etc..
Although the WDFW is not perfect, they are dealing with a lot more issues than "other" states that handle things different.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

Not only that, but if drawn for a multi-tag, how can you have problems finding a time/season to use it? it is good from Sept 8th until Dec 15th (?) both sides of the state.

[MtnMuley]

Not only that, but if drawn for a multi-tag, how can you have problems finding a time/season to use it? it is good from Sept 8th until Dec 15th (?) both sides of the state.

I specifically target big mule deer.  With the seasons where I hunt (many gmu's) for the general and muzzy being only a half month total (right after one another), I find it hard to not justify going archery if I plan on hunting out of state, as I would be gone most of the general/muzzy seasons-- hence a ghost point benefiting me for that year.

[bobcat]

I don't disagree with either of you. It was just a thought. If applying for a point was an option, I would be doing so. But since it is not I don't have any points. Hopefully in a few years when I feel like I will have the time and can justify spending the money for the multi-season permit, I will apply for it. So I WOULD like to have the option of building up points until then. I was just trying to look at it in an unselfish way. I think it is more fair to not have the "ghost hunt" option so those who are actually applying for the permit itself are the ones gaining points and a better chance of drawing in future years.

As far as the WDFW not being perfect, I cannot think of a truer statement! Up until recently I was always one of their biggest supporters. But now, seeing how they lied about the new proposed permit system "having broad public suport" when they never even gave us a chance to provide feedback, I have to say I really don't trust them anymore. And I tend to go along with others who have been saying all along that all the WDFW cares about is the money.