4 point or better units

[Bigshooter]

People complain about all the giant 2-points right now. They would be complaining about giant 3-points if it were a 4-point min.

+1

[head hunter]

I'm on board with a draw only, if we could do like oregon and keep half the dip s@#$* out the woods each year, things would change rapidly. But still leave bow season open to who ever wants to hunt.

[Atroxus]

Seems to me that the best way to manage populations would be to figure out how many bucks, and how many does can be harvested in a given year. Issue a slightly higher number of permits to factor for average success rate of hunters. Make all permits any doe, or any buck. If there is not enough of one or the other than reduce the permits or close hunting for that for however long it takes the population to rebound. For example, if their are not enough trophy bucks, then reduce or eliminate buck permits until there are. It might suck for awhile while permits are reduced or eliminated, but it seems to me the best way to manage the populations.

This way, hunters that don't want trophy animals would be able to hunt does or antlerless/spike bucks for meat, and trophy hunters would be free to pursue whatever size trophies they want. Thats just my 2 cents though.

[Curly]

Need to quit killing does where the deer population is not anywhere close to carrying capacity......

[Mudeater]

The only thing I can think of while reading this, is how well the wolf population would do in these trophy areas. If we don't get that issue under control, what good is it? Just a question? Other than that I would be all for it, trophy areas that is, not draw only in the whole state, that in my opinion is going on the wrong direction. Limit access, limit areas on type of hunting method, bow should be primitive, not the high tech gadgetry out there now, the same with muzzy. Now that may piss some folks off but look at what has happened in those seasons, the easier it has gotten, the higher the kill ratio has gotten and more people have switched to bow and muzzy.  Then, maybe make rifle draw only in some areas, like easy access units. And get the quads out of the woods unless your disabled. Just a thought!

[huntnphool]

The only thing I can think of while reading this, is how well the wolf population would do in these trophy areas. If we don't get that issue under control, what good is it?

Don't hold your breath Mudeater, this is one of the questions that continues to get swept under the rug while waving the "Permit Only" banner around here.

[boneaddict]

My blurred mind kinda likes what Mudeater has to say.  HAVE to limit access so the tribal guys don't reap the harvest. (No offense Yak).   and do some more agressive predator control. 

[sako223]

All the trophy units I can remember have failed and currently YTC is headed there. May as well be a 6 point minimum because poachers, predators and Indians will reap the reward anyway.

As far as a point minimum I think 2 point minimum is the most efficient. 2 point is easy to identify and results in far less shoot n run kills.

If we allow permit only hunting to be implemented, be prepared to watch hunting shows on tv and become an even smaller voice in the WDFW budget.

[Houndhunter]

my opinion is you gotta get rid of alota predators if you want the deer numbers to come back, i havnt researched alot on the smaller animals like yotes and bobs but as far as big predators go there numbers are higher right now than whats be recorded through out the years. i know this is the ea your talkin bout, but some more selective logging sure could help out the deer here on the west side

[Mudeater]

The only thing I can think of while reading this, is how well the wolf population would do in these trophy areas. If we don't get that issue under control, what good is it?

Don't hold your breath Mudeater, this is one of the questions that continues to get swept under the rug while waving the "Permit Only" banner around here.

Agreed 100%

[Mudeater]

My blurred mind kinda likes what Mudeater has to say.  HAVE to limit access so the tribal guys don't reap the harvest. (No offense Yak).   and do some more agressive predator control. 

Again agreed and my mind was a little burred when I said it, but that harvest should be equaly shared, one hunter=one tag= one bull if your lucky, even a half drunk Indian knows thats the only way to make it work.

[bobcat]

It doesn't make any sense to me to disregard proper wildlife management just because there may be some wolves in the area that we have to share our deer with. Sure the wolves should be controlled, that's a given. But how can you say because of the wolves there shouldn't be any limits on the number of animals we hunters harvest? Actually it seems the opposite would be true. Because of the wolves, hunters should be more limited in the number of deer that we are allowed to harvest. I don't like it, but from a biological perspective that would seem to make sense.

[Mudeater]

It doesn't make any sense to me to disregard proper wildlife management just because there may be some wolves in the area that we have to share our deer with. Sure the wolves should be controlled, that's a given. But how can you say because of the wolves there shouldn't be any limits on the number of animals we hunters harvest? Actually it seems the opposite would be true. Because of the wolves, hunters should be more limited in the number of deer that we are allowed to harvest. I don't like it, but from a biological perspective that would seem to make sense.

Proper wildlife management went out the window when wolfs where reintroduced, IMHO. and if bow and muzzy were once again a primitive seasons as intended allot of the guys hunting those methods would go back to rifle or not hunt at all. If the easy to access areas went draw only, that would be self limiting for # of hunters. If we had trophy only areas that aren't so easy to access, hike or pack animals only, We would have fewer hunters harvesting fewer animals, just like it used to be before we had quads, 350 fps bows, muzzy that shoot to 200 yards as fast as a 30-30. That seems like at least better management then we have now. Like I said, just a thought. I'm certainly not an expert on game management, I only remember what it used to be like before all these problems came up and it wasn't the animals that caused it, besides the wolfs anyway. Just out of curiosity, do you work for the game dept?

[bobcat]

Just out of curiosity, do you work for the game dept?

No, and if I did I sure wouldn't admit it on here!

[Mudeater]

Just out of curiosity, do you work for the game dept?

No, and if I did I sure wouldn't admit it on here!

Dont blame you, wasnt trying to offend, so I hope you didnt take it that way.