DFW Commision Meeting in Leavenworth

[bobcat]

I posted about this before on here. All a person has to do is lie and say he made a mistake, and the points will be restored. What proof would be required, other than somebody's word that he didn't intend to apply for that hunt?

Do you think that will work when WDFW is getting hundreds of these requests in June, and when they can see that you applied for those same permits in the past when they were in one category?

I don't know. But I think all they care about is getting people to apply in as many categories as possible, so that they can bring in more money. If they let people turn back in permits then people will be more likely to apply in more than one category, knowing that if they draw two permits, they can turn in the one they don't want and have their points restored.

[Bob33]

That is true.  I think it would be difficult for someone who paid money for a separate application for antlerless elk, filled it out with four choices, submitted it, and got drawn to say it was a "mistake".

It will cost them something, at least in labor, to restore the points.  Many of those who request restoration will be checking back, and that will take more time.  What a mess. 

[bobcat]

It will be a mess. If they are going to allow multiple applications for the same species, the drawing should be set up in a way so that once a person draws a permit, they are disqualified for any more. A person should only be able to draw ONE permit per species, in my opinion. If it wasn't possible to do the drawing so that a person could only draw one permit per species, then what they should do is only allow you to apply in one category per species. That would actually make sense... that WOULD increase odds of drawing. But, it would not increase revenue to the state.   

[Elkaholic daWg]

 I must be honest and say that my concern for this issue is like the WDFW......greed!
 We have been putting in for a Colockum/ Mission any bull tag for 14 years. Chances might be that it could happen.
 Now the point dispersal into all catagories will be only available this year. So do we put in for ghost points, or try to draw for a west bar antlerless ( only 10 permits) and take the chance even though there are only 7 pemits between Colockum and mission units. OR we coud put in for Manashtash antlerless and with our combined 60 points squared most likely kick butt there?
 If you don,t buy a antlerless app this year, you will start antlerless next year with 0 pts
 I just feel waiting 15 years should get you something from this change.

 We have only put 2 choices ( Colockum, Mission any bull) on our applications for elk for YEARS so our history would show it could be a mistake to put in for Manashtash if drawn.

 In a perfect world ALL would only put in for 1 catagory this year to give them no more money than before, but would  all buy into this?

[bobcat]

If you don,t buy a antlerless app this year, you will start antlerless next year with 0 pts

Where did you get this information? As far as I know, once you have points in a category, they won't go away, until you draw a permit in that category. But actually if they did it the way you are suggesting, I think that would be a good thing. That would be one way to make this change a little more fair to those who don't have a lot of points.

[Elkaholic daWg]

 Leavenworth agenda item book
 Item 1
Page 3
Subsection iii
 "The point replication will only occur in 2010 during the transition from single species catagories to multiple catagories of the same species....."

[Elkaholic daWg]

If you don,t buy a antlerless app this year, you will start antlerless next year with 0 pts

Where did you get this information? As far as I know, once you have points in a category, they won't go away, until you draw a permit in that category. But actually if they did it the way you are suggesting, I think that would be a good thing. That would be one way to make this change a little more fair to those who don't have a lot of points.

 


True, but you MUST buy an application for that species sub-catagory THIS year. Since I've not put in for antlerless in years, I would start next year with zero antlerless points if I don't give them the extra money this year.   



 Kind of like the carrot at the end of the stick to get us to buy as many apps as possible if you have a large point total.

[bobcat]

Leavenworth agenda item book
 Item 1
Page 3
Subsection iii
 "The point replication will only occur in 2010 during the transition from single species catagories to multiple catagories of the same species....."

OK, but that doesn't say the points will be erased the following year. Your points will be placed in every category. So you will have 14 points in Quality, Bucks/Bulls, Antlerless, Senior, Youth, Disabled Hunter, etc.

Those points will be in those categories until you apply in that category and successfully draw a permit. It's a great deal for someone like you with a lot of points. But it's unfair to those who don't have a lot. Just think, when you turn 65, you will have 14 points sitting in the senior category, just waiting for you to apply and draw a permit.

This is the way I understand it anyway. I could be wrong and I hope I am.

[bobcat]

True, but you MUST buy an application for that species sub-catagory THIS year. Since I've not put in for antlerless in years, I would start next year with zero antlerless points if I don't give them the extra money this year.

I have not seen that said by anybody or read that anywhere, until now. Did somebody explain it to you this way or are you just interpreting it this way?

[Elkaholic daWg]

Leavenworth agenda item book
 Item 1
Page 3
Subsection iii
 "The point replication will only occur in 2010 during the transition from single species catagories to multiple catagories of the same species....."

 Here is the rest................"........Applicants for any new catagory added in the future will begin with THE point awarded at the time of the  initial apllication purchase."


  So....big Pts= do it this year

[bobcat]

I still don't see what you are saying. I think you have a misunderstanding of how it will work. Try contacting Dave Ware and ask him about it.   

Ware, David    david.ware@dfw.wa.gov     360-902-2509

[Bob33]

Just think, when you turn 65, you will have 14 points sitting in the senior category, just waiting for you to apply and draw a permit.

This is the way I understand it anyway. I could be wrong and I hope I am.

Bobcat, I have heard otherwise.  What I heard from someone, who heard it from Dave Ware, is that the existing point total per species will be replicated to all categories for that species.  HOWEVER, after 2010 the points for categories in which an applicant is not eligible will be set to 0.  Therefore I will have points in the Senior and Youth categories this year, but after 2010 those categories will be set to 0 because I am not eligible to be in them.

That does not answer the question of what happens to the points in categories for which I am eligible, if I do not apply in them this year.  My understanding is the same as yours: my points will replicate this year, and remain intact until I draw or am no longer eligible. For example, someone that turns 16 would lose his Youth eligibility. 

[Elkaholic daWg]

True, but you MUST buy an application for that species sub-catagory THIS year. Since I've not put in for antlerless in years, I would start next year with zero antlerless points if I don't give them the extra money this year.

I have not seen that said by anybody or read that anywhere, until now. Did somebody explain it to you this way or are you just interpreting it this way?

Interpreting, and I will contact them on this. but  I see it as saying that if one does not apply in a catagory this year and ADD it in a later year that you get the future totals for points later which in my case for antlerless would be starting at zero  ..... Anybody else have a thought on this

[bobcat]

I think all they are saying is that if THEY add a new category. Not if you apply in a category you haven't applied in before. That is just an existing category. Once you have points in a particular category they should stay there until you use them.

[bobcat]

Just think, when you turn 65, you will have 14 points sitting in the senior category, just waiting for you to apply and draw a permit.

This is the way I understand it anyway. I could be wrong and I hope I am.

Bobcat, I have heard otherwise.  What I heard from someone, who heard it from Dave Ware, is that the existing point total per species will be replicated to all categories for that species.  HOWEVER, after 2010 the points for categories in which an applicant is not eligible will be set to 0.  Therefore I will have points in the Senior and Youth categories this year, but after 2010 those categories will be set to 0 because I am not eligible to be in them.

That doesn't make sense. If the categories a person was not eligible to apply in were going to have a person's points deleted after this year, why would they put the points there to begin with? But, none of this makes sense anyway, so nothing they do will surprise me.