Elk will be gone in Idaho by 2012

[bobcat]

You can't put up fences on public land that won't allow for wildlife migration. Even on private land it may not be legal to do so. I know Okanogan county has some rules regarding fences that won't allow deer to get through easily. Or maybe it's WDFW rules, I'm not certain.

[Special T]

I understand the public land... But say you have a square mile (640acre?) and adjacent to it you have a USFS grazing lease... Wouldnt it be a good investment to "Protect" your herd when they are most vulnerable say when calving then move them to the "Lease" when they are more grown?

Im not really expecting this to happen much but i can tell you IF i was a cattlemen id really be looking into this.

I have heard MANY times on here that if a Farmer doesnt like damage to his crops he should protect it with a fence... Well I would bet certain counties have a higher likely hood of changing fence regulations in wolf areas... If the Cattlemens association pushed hard in areas they have influence you might see a difference.

[KFhunter]

yup cattle prices are through the roof,  ranchers can finally upgrade a few things that they've been fixing on for years and flat worn out.  Hopefully that new truck, stock trailer etc will last through the next downturn and get them through to another high trend when they can finally replace it.

To say they're floating in money now so they could afford losses to wolves is somewhat a slap in the face to ranchers, any profit they've made during this high trend will have to be held on tightly to get them through a rough down trend when it finally comes.  That's when I'll jump back in the cattle business,  right now dang 

[Special T]

Whats the joke? If a farmer has a good year he buys a new truck... If a racher has a good year they buy new tires! 

[JimmyHoffa]

special T, I seem to recall that high fence installed came to about $10K per mile. 

[AspenBud]

Whats the joke? If a farmer has a good year he buys a new truck... If a racher has a good year they buy new tires! 

Unless you're in Whitman county. A bad year there means you buy a Lincoln instead of a Cadillac.   

[Special T]

So lets do some rough math. A quartersection is roughtly 160 acres, and about 1 mile of border to fence. At 3K a head it takes 34 animals saved to break even. Divide that out by say 10 years and thats only 3.4 animals a year.... Lets also break this down now by saying that the animals may have better pregancy rates, and weight gains because the cattle are "Safe" when in the enclosure possibly providng more Lbs and $ gains. Depending on the area the 160 acres would have varying carry capacity but if used in conjunction with a nearby lease and only used during  highly vunerable times it may support much bigger numbers.

I know nothing of cattle, but know there are many ways to skin a wolf!

[JimmyHoffa]

ST, I edited above...put an extra zero by accident.  But that was a number from 20 years ago, so don't know how much it has changed. 

[Special T]

So that makes it WAY more cost effective.! Bump it up to a section 4mile of fence = 13.5 cattle saved. Divide it by ANY # of years and it pays for itself in no time especially if its over 10 years.


So a completly different question... Possibly for BP... if you put up a high fence operation do you have to vacate animals from your property before you fence it? Is there a specific eviciton process for the states unwanted game?
Your not allowed to "Farm" deer or elk in wa.... so???

[Curly]

You may not get permission to high fence your property (depending on the county requirements).

[Special T]

That may be the case.... Do you think the county commissioners in Stevens or Ferry County would disallow it?

The State has already made the case that it is the responciblity of the land owner to protect thier property from agricultural damage Visa V Hay, orchards and such... If it was done for agricultural damage purposes  you think they would deny it? Perhaps not in the Okanogan but there is PLENTY of precedence elsewhere to do so...

[idahohuntr]

The perimeter of 40 acres is one mile of fence...160 acres = 2 miles of fence. 

And I've found anything more than about 1/4 mile of fencing work in a day with my wife in tow = bad news. 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

The perimeter of 40 acres is one mile of fence...160 acres = 2 miles of fence. 

And I've found anything more than about 1/4 mile of fencing work in a day with my wife in tow = bad news. 

That would be 2 miles if it was square, 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile.

It could also be 1 mile x 1/4 mile x 1 mile, x 1/4 mile. That would make a 2 1/2 mile perimeter.

Or some other shape.

[Bob33]

The perimeter of 40 acres is one mile of fence...160 acres = 2 miles of fence. 

And I've found anything more than about 1/4 mile of fencing work in a day with my wife in tow = bad news. 

That would be 2 miles if it was square, 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile.

It could also be 1 mile x 1/4 mile x 1 mile, x 1/4 mile. That would make a 2 1/2 mile perimeter.

Or some other shape.

I think Idahuntr is correct.

One acre is 43,560 square feet.

If the acre is square, each side is the the square root of 43,560 which is 208.7'.

If the 40 acres are a square plat, the sides are 6.32 x 6.32 acres. A side of 6.32 acres is 1320 feet ( 6.32 x 208).

If each side is 1320', the total length of fencing is 1320' x 4 = 5280' = one mile.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

The perimeter of 40 acres is one mile of fence...160 acres = 2 miles of fence. 

And I've found anything more than about 1/4 mile of fencing work in a day with my wife in tow = bad news. 

That would be 2 miles if it was square, 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile.

It could also be 1 mile x 1/4 mile x 1 mile, x 1/4 mile. That would make a 2 1/2 mile perimeter.

Or some other shape.

I think Idahuntr is correct.

One acre is 43,560 square feet.

If the acre is square, each side is the the square root of 43,560 which is 208.7'.

If the 40 acres are a square plat, the sides are 6.32 x 6.32 acres. A side of 6.32 acres is 1320 feet ( 6.32 x 208).

If each side is 1320', the total length of fencing is 1320' x 4 = 5280' = one mile.

Bob, imagine a square 1 mile by 1 mile. That is a section or 640 acres. Now you can divide it into quarters by making 4 squares each with the dimensions of1/2 mile x 1/2 mile which is idahohuntr's example or you could divide it into 4 rectangles 1 mile x 1/4 mile each, which is my example.   1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4.   1 x 1/4 = 1/4.  Both dimensions are a 1/4 section, but in my example the perimeter is 2 1/2 miles long or 25% longer than in idahohuntr's example.