The Reasons for the Canadian wolf introduction

[wolfbait]

Received this in an E-mail from a friend.

New Congressional initiative to create 'wildlife corridors' | CFACT


The Reasons for the Canadian wolf introduction is nothing more than a ploy to take private lands and gain more governmental control, and if you believe this ploy is really about wildlife then I've got a bridge in the Mojave desert I want to sell you.  Read this and then go back and read the link after it. Some of you, I know already know what this land grab is all about, I am not directing my comments toward you.  Those of you who choose to believe the environmental left is good, you better get your agendas looked at closely and see what this is really all about.  Read this first link and then go to the links below and take the time to go through each page, you will be enlightened to the evil that is transcending this globe under the lie of environmentalism.
 
http://www.cfact.org/a/1756/New-Congressional-initiative-to-create-wildlife-corridors?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cfact+%28CFACT%29
 
http://www.takingliberty.us/TLHome.html
 
http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/articles2/wildlands_project_and_un_convent.htm
 
 People need to wake up and realize that you are being lied to by the Big Media and your very own government. If you don’t we will all be in deep trouble before long.
 
 

[turbo]

It just amazes me how many idiots don't believe this is an act to crush hunting and reduce gun sales. I enjoy your passion and am with you 100%. Too bad the Mods on this site are in bed with WDFW and will lock or pull this tread soon. 

[Atroxus]

Is that article in regards to H. R. 5101? I ask because for some reason the article in the first link failed to mention the name of the bill, or the bill number. HR 5101 was the closest match I could find with a google search.

[haus]

Whether these wolves are native or not, in the end it doesnt matter, what matters is who controls them, who controls wildlife management policy. Right now we are losing that battle as hunters. We can either ignore it and let our children deal with the outcome some day or fight it now.

[Little Dave]

Just about the only way to win this battle is to build a bigger constituency.  Often as you can, take someone hunting that has never been.  There's a lot of people out there that hike, are intrested in locally grown food, enjoy do-it-yourself projects, and enjoy seeing animals.  They just need a little help to see hunting as the same thing.

Once you get these people on board and personally invested, they'll get it.

[Atroxus]

I am kind of confused. After reading the text of the bill it doesn't seem to me to be nearly as bad as that article makes it out to be. I do find it a little worrisome if what that article says is true about defenders of wildlife supporting the bill, but as the saying goes even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Elkaholic daWg]

It just amazes me how many idiots don't believe this is an act to crush hunting and reduce gun sales. I enjoy your passion and am with you 100%. Too bad the Mods on this site are in bed with WDFW and will lock or pull this tread soon.  

Oh...........so no body minded those wolves that arrived on their own 2 feet? They just hate the transplanted variety. Funny I never hear any wolf haters make the distinction.
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You mean like this...Copied/pasted from another hunting website that has only garnered 16 posts on the thread I started of which at least 4 are mine.  Turbo, Snowmobilers are more passionate on this issue than most on that site

 Remember the pic you sent me? any more sightings in the area?

 Oh and thanks Wolfbait!  I will now  put a link in that thread to this one.

[haus]

I am kind of confused. After reading the text of the bill it doesn't seem to me to be nearly as bad as that article makes it out to be. I do find it a little worrisome if what that article says is true about defenders of wildlife supporting the bill, but as the saying goes even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Increased federal authority over states and private property owner rights......
I guess it depends on how much you care about liberty and to what extent you are willing to sacrifice liberty in the name of environmentalism.
Take into consideration that who controls that authority will have a powerful influence of state and individual rights and their interpetation of how the environment should like will supercede your individual freedoms.
Doesn't sound like fun to me.

 These are easy topics if you live in the city and don't own any amount of land.

[Atroxus]

I am kind of confused. After reading the text of the bill it doesn't seem to me to be nearly as bad as that article makes it out to be. I do find it a little worrisome if what that article says is true about defenders of wildlife supporting the bill, but as the saying goes even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Increased federal authority over states and private property owner rights......
I guess it depends on how much you care about liberty and to what extent you are willing to sacrifice liberty in the name of environmentalism.
Take into consideration that who controls that authority will have a powerful influence of state and individual rights and their interpetation of how the environment should like will supercede your individual freedoms.
Doesn't sound like fun to me.

 These are easy topics if you live in the city and don't own any amount of land.

Maybe I am missing something, but I didn't see anythign in the bill about increased control of property, or any control of property owners rights. Maybe you could point out where in the bill I overlooked it?

[jackelope]

It just amazes me how many idiots don't believe this is an act to crush hunting and reduce gun sales. I enjoy your passion and am with you 100%. Too bad the Mods on this site are in bed with WDFW and will lock or pull this tread soon. 

Nobody's in bed with the WDFW and the only wolf thread that's been yanked is one explaining how to use poisons to kill them. That's not what this site is about and not what we are here for. If you think we are nuking wolf threads you haven't been looking at the forum boards much. Open your eyes before criticizing.

[Elkaholic daWg]

   Good stuff Wolfbait.   More wilderness, MORE wildlands, MORE roadless areas More Property restrictions! Also being a sledder and occasional ATV rider, and 4 wheeler-we have been fighting these folks for YEARS. and you will come to find that many many hunters are all for it! Right Turbo?

[WAcoyotehunter]

I am kind of confused. After reading the text of the bill it doesn't seem to me to be nearly as bad as that article makes it out to be. I do find it a little worrisome if what that article says is true about defenders of wildlife supporting the bill, but as the saying goes even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Increased federal authority over states and private property owner rights......
I guess it depends on how much you care about liberty and to what extent you are willing to sacrifice liberty in the name of environmentalism.
Take into consideration that who controls that authority will have a powerful influence of state and individual rights and their interpetation of how the environment should like will supercede your individual freedoms.
Doesn't sound like fun to me.

 These are easy topics if you live in the city and don't own any amount of land.

Maybe I am missing something, but I didn't see anythign in the bill about increased control of property, or any control of property owners rights. Maybe you could point out where in the bill I overlooked it?

Me too... aren't we (as a group) proponents of wildlife habitat and increased access?

   Good stuff Wolfbait.   More wilderness, MORE wildlands, MORE roadless areas More Property restrictions! Also being a sledder and occasional ATV rider, and 4 wheeler-we have been fighting these folks for YEARS. and you will come to find that many many hunters are all for it! Right Turbo?

Do you get to ride your sled on private land much?  I would think most wildland user groups would be glad to see this happen...what am I missing?

[haus]

Maybe I am missing something, but I didn't see anythign in the bill about increased control of property, or any control of property owners rights. Maybe you could point out where in the bill I overlooked it?

Where do you think the corridors will be established? If you show me a provision that says it will solely be on federal property then I stand corrected.

You understand what zoning is right? Zoning regulations dictate what you can do with your property. If your property falls under one of these 'wildlife cooridor' boundaries it means your subject to the exact regulations that the bill states it will be monitoring. Since this is a federal action you'll be subject to abiding by the processess laid forth within this bill. Try and put a pond in your backyard in King County if you want a basic course in what this means.

Besides all that read the details and ask yourself 'how in the hell would wildlife cooridors be established?' Because each species is so unique in habit, at some point someone will have to decide which species 'migration route' the cooridors will be based on.

Oh and by the way the fed's will control these cooridors while the states and tribes do the leg work for them, which they wont hesitate to do because the feds throwing money at them for doing it. 

Ya sounds fantastic to me go ahead and praise it. 

[WAcoyotehunter]

I thought it was just an effort to  provide more contigous habitat blocks for wildlife, I did not think they had any specific animals in mind.

[haus]

Me too... aren't we (as a group) proponents of wildlife habitat and increased access?

   Good stuff Wolfbait.   More wilderness, MORE wildlands, MORE roadless areas More Property restrictions! Also being a sledder and occasional ATV rider, and 4 wheeler-we have been fighting these folks for YEARS. and you will come to find that many many hunters are all for it! Right Turbo?

Do you get to ride your sled on private land much?  I would think most wildland user groups would be glad to see this happen...what am I missing?

At the sacrifice of private property rights.....Hell no.

Who said anything about increased access? I didn't see *censored* about increased access.

Public lands are our land and we should be respectful enough to allow other interests to use our land for their enjoyment. We already have wilderness area's that prevent motorized use anyway. There's no reason snowmobiles or atv's should be booted off of National forests. Though I'm not a proponent of riding or driving anywhere you please, it should be managed for moderation. This can be done in a number of ways without discouraging the enjoyment of those who enjoy offroading and snowmobiling.