Barns Spit-Fire TMZ

[ML_Hunter]

I started playing with new bullets for my front-stuffer.  I shoot a TC Black Diamond in .50 and with my previous bullets could only group about 12 inches at 100 yds.  I though my eyes were going bad!

A friend of mind suggested I try the Barns TMZ bullet.  All I have to say is AWESOME!!!  I shot a 5 shot group in about 2 inches (think god my eyes are still good...well kinda good).  So I just love the accuracy of this round and have played with a few other since, and get the best grouping out of the TMZ's.  But I have one issue with them.  THEY ARE A PAIN IN THE A$$ TO PUSH DOWN THE BORE!! 

Any one has any ideas?  I've tried lubing up the round with some bore butter which dosent help much.  If I was just shooting at the range, I'd live with it, but can bear the thought of what it would take to reload in the field.

[ML_Hunter]

well, I just ordered some new sabots.  Maybe another sabot will will just a little smaller to make it easier.

[Lowedog]

I use them and have had no problems stuffing them down into the barrel of my Bighorn.  They are a little tight with a clean barrel.  I burn the APP sticks and after the first shot they slide down pretty easy.  I also use a short ramrod with the Barnes aligner to start them.  They do shoot great!   http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,33389.msg396325.html#msg396325

Maybe your barrel isn't completely clean?  Just a thought.  Seams like I read somewhere that products like Bore Butter can cause a build up that will make sabots tough to load. 

[carpsniperg2]

yeah if you use a bullet starter to get it started it makes them go down better and give ya a little head start always seems like the first 6-8" is the hardest for me with them.

[ML_Hunter]

I did take my black diamond down and soaked the barrel for about 20 minuets, took a brush to the bore with 30 swipes, and then soaked it for another 15 minuets.  make sure everything was clean and put it all back together.  So I was confidant the bore was as clean as could be!  Still had a hard time loading it.  I am afraid that these new sabots will cause me to loose volosity but I do love the bullet, and love the accuracy i'm getting with them.  If I can make it somewhat easier to load in the field, i'll be looking to harvest some four leged critters with it

[carpsniperg2]

yeah you could always switch out the sabots on the bullets and try that as well get the dia of the bullet "pretty sure it is on the pkg" then order some diffrent sabots and see what ones you like better and you are right the tighter the sabot is in the bore the higer the vel will be.

[Blsum]

Just out of curiosity what do you do at the range. Are you doing any cleaning after your shots. Or are you just reloading and shooting? Also what kind of powder you shooting?

[dawhunt]

Don't know about you guys but when I'm at the range sighting in,I clean the barrell after every shot
only takes a couple min.

After the gun is sighted in I'll shoot 3-4 before cleaning to see how it shoots with a dirty barrell.

bob

[ML_Hunter]

After every shot or some times every other shot I run 2-3 wet patches down the bore and 2 dry patches.  Then load the bullet ...pull my breach plug, push the bullet down the bore, clean the breach and breach plug wile I'm at it, then replace the breach plug.  This time adding powder, then the bullet push it down with the bullet started tipped with the barns tool, push it the rest of the way with my ramrod tipped with the barns tool, lay down on the bench, cap my rifle, place on fire...aim...stop put rifle back on safety, retrieve my ram rod from the bore, sit back down at the bench aim...squeeze trigger...take rifle off safe, and fire!!    forgot to aim!!!!  Repeat

lol joking of course!  I've only loaded with out powder once, lost me a doe!  Never forgot to retrieve my ram rod, but a guy at the range shooting next to me once did  he was ok, we took a moment to make sure the rifle was ok, called range clear for we now had to repair the 100 yd wire which was DESTROYED!! and his ram rod was no more so we shared one.  And laughed about it later.

But I do clean my rifle almost between each shot.  Its the TMZ's are typically harder to load after I clean the bore, so I'll clean every other shot, the second shot is a little easier to push down.  I use 115-120 grains lose of T7.

[carpsniperg2]

  that ramrod arrow has killed a few critters over the years

[ML_Hunter]

I used to have a friend who was a game warden in WA (now he's Fed based in Montana).  He once arrested a guy shooting an Elk with a .410 GA in archary season.  Was using a single shot H&R and hand loaded the .410 shell with just the powder and wad, then pushed an arrow down the bore.  My friend was watching this elk head from about 200 yds away and watched as a group of hunters were stalking them and tried to call them closer.  He then heard a gun shot and one of the elk went down after running a little ways.  This guy shot the elk form what looked like 120 yds from J's vantage point. J then drove down to investage and saw the guy walk up on the elk with his recurve bow and pulled him for questioning.  Found the .410 in this truck and several of the shells with out any shot, then found the wad from the SG as he walked from where the shot was taken to where the elk were standing. 

Needless to say, this guy was locked up for 8 months and can not purchase a hunting or fishing license for the next 10 years.

 

[carpsniperg2]

hahaha have shot them like that before not animals but my cousin had a 410 he was doing that with and got me to try it i was not impressed at all by it and was not very accurtate to boot. but heard of guys doing it around here as well kinda crazy

[Lowedog]

Nice thing I have found with the American Pioneer Powder is that I don't have to worry much with fouling.  APP claims to have shot over 5000 shots through a rifle without cleaning the bore.  Don't think I will go for that but I have never had a problem loading even after a bunch of shots and accuracy doesn't suffer much. 

[ML_Hunter]

Nice thing I have found with the American Pioneer Powder is that I don't have to worry much with fouling.  APP claims to have shot over 5000 shots through a rifle without cleaning the bore.  Don't think I will go for that but I have never had a problem loading even after a bunch of shots and accuracy doesn't suffer much. 

I've head horible reports about that powder and with so much negitive feedback, I'll never use them, even with the postive i've heard.  But honest heard 80% negitive 15% Postive 5 % no differnt from T7.
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Just a few reviews i've read

1 starsFrancis Lee of Sauquoit, NYDate posted: 11/18/2008
This is the worst stuff I have ever used. Incomplete ignition, you can see burning pellets flying down range. No accuracy because the bullets never get to the target because the pellets don't ignite completely. It fouls badly to in spite of claims otherwise. Was this review helpful?Yes | No18 found it helpful | 2 did not1

starsDave Cooper of Cincinnati, OhDate posted: 12/13/2008
Poor ignition, powder did not provide adequate combustion, poor performer. Was this review helpful?Yes | No17 found it helpful | 0 did not

[Lowedog]

I have read the same things but also talked with people first hand who use it and none of them have had those problems and neither have I. I decided to try it for myself and so far have not experienced a single problem.  I use CCI #11's to light things.

I will say that I find no difference in performance with Pyrodex Pellets that I was using before.  The clean up is what did it for me. 

While doing some research I did find that it seems that the APP had a period of time where things were somewhat inconsistant.