Elk bonus points

[ICEMAN]

The Quinault tag does not allow you to hunt in the park.

[ramslam]

Back on the squaring of points, I believe he would have 50 chances not 64.

7 x 7 PLUS one for the current application = 50.

So someone without points would have 0 x 0 = 0 PLUS one = one number.

Thats my interpretation.

[CJ-5]

Ya i know you cant hunt the park. I meant if you can get them to cross the park boundary into ground you can hunt.  That happened to us a couple years ago, bad feeling!

[bowhuntin]

Back on the squaring of points, I believe he would have 50 chances not 64.

7 x 7 PLUS one for the current application = 50.

So someone without points would have 0 x 0 = 0 PLUS one = one number.

Thats my interpretation.

That way makes sense to, but now I am confused of which way is correct, the way bobcat explained it or your way. What does it say in the regulations?

[rackattack]

This is the equation that works. ((Current points + one for this year) squared).
Example-  New Person with no points--(0+1)=1, 1x1=1 chance in the drawing
              Person with 1 point---------(1+1)=2, 2x2=4 chances in the drawing
              Person with 10 points-------(10+1)=11, 11x11=121 chances in the drawing.
Hope this helps with the confusion.

[Red Dawg]

so do they split the total points you have into however many hunts you are applying for or do you get your total amount of points for each area. I have always wondered about that. This year i drew my third choice.

[rackattack]

All points go into one draw for the species.  If your name is chosen, then they go down your choice list.  If the first choice is available, then you get that one.  If 1st choice is filled already then they move to your second choice and so on.  If all your choices are filled, then you get a big "NOT SELECTED" in the mail.

[Red Dawg]

i see thanks for the clarification

[billythekidrock]

rackattack, great simplification.

[Red Dawg]

another one. if you put in buddy system and there is only one slaught left do you get passed up for that tag.

[billythekidrock]

10 for me.

I am ready for a Quinault bull tag !!!!!!!!!

Not quite that easy. I know some guys with max points that are not getting drawn for that hunt. Most of the guys getting it are in the 20 point area.

Ya i know you cant hunt the park. I meant if you can get them to cross the park boundary into ground you can hunt.  That happened to us a couple years ago, bad feeling!

The hard part is actually finding land that is not private along the park. Trust me, it won't be but a few years and the locals will lock up what is left of the river access.
The other problem is the Park Service wants to change the boundary so that you can not hunt North of the South Shore rd. Then the only real areas to hunt will be behind the old stone cabins an the old Rayonier unit which both belong to Lutz & Carlson so there will be a fee.

[YellowDog]

Red - for group hunt applications they average the points held by all of the hunters on the application and then square them.  If you put in with a buddy and there is only one tag left and you are drawn, neither of you get the tag.

Q: What if I apply in a group and we have a different number of points built up? Whose points are used?
A: On group applications, the points of all of the applicants are averaged and the average is used in the drawing for that application. If the first group member has two points and the second one has six, then four points are used for the drawing. If the first member has one point, the second member has two, and a third member has four, then two points are used in the drawing for that application. The averaged points are rounded to the nearest whole number.

Q: What happens if a group application comes up and there are fewer permits left than there are members in the group?
A: If there are fewer permits left for a hunt than there are members in a group whose application is drawn, none of the applicants on that application are awarded a permit. The drawing continues until either an Individual Application or a Group Application with fewer members is drawn for that hunt. This is the way it was done when the drawing was actually done using barrels and cards. It is not possible to award more permits for a hunt than what is allowed by the Fish and Wildlife Commission.

Most of this stuff is easy to find on the WDFW website. 

I am amazed at how many people must have 20 points (I guess for turning in poachers) when max points is 12-13. 

10 points should give you pretty good odds but everyone in the hat has a chance so its no guarantee. 

[actionshooter]

Bottom line is there are so many people with 12-13 points (years), that your odds are better, but still not good.

[billythekidrock]

Bottom line is there are so many people with 12-13 points (years), that your odds are better, but still not good.

Yep, then the odd one gets drawn with only a couple just to keep it interesting.

[ramslam]

I stand corrected rackattack.  Washington awards the bonus point at the time of application and it is retained if not successful.  Interesting how one word completely changes the odds----in Nevada the point is awarded after being applying AND being unsuccessful.

Sorry for the confusion.