2010 Special Hunt Permit Drawing Results (Summary) has been posted

[Lowedog]

Wow! Only six points to draw the Swakane sheep tag? Funny how a local ended up with that "one" 

So your saying it was fixed?  I wonder what I need to do to be the "one" to draw an OIL tag?  Ridgerunner, fill me in! 

[MuleySniper]

Wow! Only six points to draw the Swakane sheep tag? Funny how a local ended up with that "one" 

So your saying it was fixed?  I wonder what I need to do to be the "one" to draw an OIL tag?  Ridgerunner, fill me in! 

You said it. Not me.
I'm glad local got it otherwise we'd all have to hear some of you Wenatchee guys whine if a coasty ended up with it.

[Lowedog]

Don't be lumping me in with those Wenatchee guys!   

[MuleySniper]

  No really, I hope that guy kills a monster. Sounds like a good fellow from what I hear.
MS

[Bob33]

And I found the 2009 drawing summaries.

Here is sheep:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/2009/reports/sheep_hunt_name.php


Here is elk:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/2009/reports/elk_hunt_name.php


I guess its time to compare to really see what the changes in the application process did to draw odds. 

Those are the Harvest Reports, not the Draw Result Summaries.   

Here is the detailed 2009 sheep draw summary: http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/2009/2009permit_summary_sheep.pdf

[SkookumHntr]

The "Bull" hunts that were normally the easiest to draw are now the hardest Nice, I seen that one coming   If they merge the "Bull" and "Quality Bull" to just antlered and leave it at 2 choices that would be a excellent move for draw odds, I hope they make that change!

[uplandhunter870]

nice to see this posted, it appears as thought the odds got steeper on the tags that i see as resonable draws when id did a straight number of tags divided by no. of apps, the doe tag that i usually put in for went from a 30% chance of draw with an average point draw of 2.5ish now this year its at 6% chance and an average point draw of 4.5

increase draw odds my ---, its more like increased revenue with less payout to the supporters

[NRA4LIFE]

I posted this elsewhere a few months back, but what has happened is exactly what I predicted for cow tags in Eastern WA.  The days of drawing a cow tag every other or every third year are over.  What used to take 2 or 3 points is now 6 or 7 or more.  Look at the number of applications submitted for Little Naches, Umtanum ans Manastash.  Almost 11000 for those 3 units alone.

[hunter-4-life]

You also have to take in to consideration that alot of people had been saving points for years and only been putting in for the premier tags. And now that this year everyone all of a sudden got their points transferred between several categories and it don't hurt you to put in for other hunts besides the premier tags because you will only lose in the category/categories you drew for. so my prediction was that alot of people took their high number of points and applied for several hunts knowing that there would be a chance of drawing multiple permits. There for that would increase the number of applicants with high number points to put in for the permits that usually have a low average of points to draw the permit. So for example I saw that most cow elk hunts the average went up alot due to all the people that have been holding out for a bull tag. My prediction was right that this year we were going to see the averages go up and next year they should go down because alot of people wasted points by putting in for more than one permit knowing that they had great odds of drawing. Like putting in for a cow hunt with 10 points. Well anyway those are my thoughts on all this.

[Lowedog]

You also have to take in to consideration that alot of people had been saving points for years and only been putting in for the premier tags. And now that this year everyone all of a sudden got their points transferred between several categories and it don't hurt you to put in for other hunts besides the premier tags because you will only lose in the category/categories you drew for. so my prediction was that alot of people took their high number of points and applied for several hunts knowing that there would be a chance of drawing multiple permits. There for that would increase the number of applicants with high number points to put in for the permits that usually have a low average of points to draw the permit. So for example I saw that most cow elk hunts the average went up alot due to all the people that have been holding out for a bull tag. My prediction was right that this year we were going to see the averages go up and next year they should go down because alot of people wasted points by putting in for more than one permit knowing that they had great odds of drawing. Like putting in for a cow hunt with 10 points. Well anyway those are my thoughts on all this.

[Romulus]

I know you guys have a hard time understanding this but your points in our system are not as valuable as you think. They give you a better chance of drawing but not a GOOD chance. Take a sheep unit with 1200 applicants and 1 tag with avg points of 6 across the board you would have roughly 43000 chances in the hat with zero pts you have 1 in 43000 chance of drawing. Some guy with poacher pts has 20 pts but still has odds of only 1 in 100.  The only way to get better odds is to charge more money so the state can make what they are making now with less applicants. There is no other way unless you expect the state to give up the free money off the draws by making you pick a species. What is the benefit for them to get a lot less revenue so drawing odds will increase. The knucklehead meat hunters who thought this new system would help them get a bull tag and still get to hunt cows are now going to get to hunt cows every 5 years but still will never get a bull tag. But they get to spend more money. But its only 5 bucks a chance so they want a chance at everything. Lots of guys got what they wanted lets see if they still like it 5 or 10 years from now. Just my rant!

[NRA4LIFE]

You nailed it Romulus.  That was exactly my point in another thread.  Even the guys with max points right now still have crappy odds.  And what people don't realize is that the vast majotiry of us well NEVER get an OIL tag or a quality bull tag.  NEVER

[billythekidrock]

I posted this elsewhere a few months back, but what has happened is exactly what I predicted for cow tags in Eastern WA.  The days of drawing a cow tag every other or every third year are over.  What used to take 2 or 3 points is now 6 or 7 or more.  Look at the number of applications submitted for Little Naches, Umtanum ans Manastash.  Almost 11000 for those 3 units alone.

Yes, many of us predicted this. But ask D. Ware and he will tell you that the system is great. 

[Lowedog]

I referred to this awhile back when this discussion was going on.  Our chances of drawing quality or OIL tags are so low that the new system really had no impact on draw odds for quality or OIL.  Yeah, the antlerless hunts got worse odds this year but I think it will get closer to what it was in a year or two.  

I think what the last 2 posters don't realize is the vast majority do know what their chance of drawing one of these tags is.  It's like playing the lotto though, someone has got to win and if you don't play the game it won't be you!  

I'm all for a way to weed out the guys throwing their name in the hat just cause its cheap.  Try convincing the WDFW of that though...

[PA BEN]

You nailed it Romulus.  That was exactly my point in another thread.  Even the guys with max points right now still have crappy odds.  And what people don't realize is that the vast majotiry of us well NEVER get an OIL tag or a quality bull tag.  NEVER

I like the way the draw is now, I lost all my points 6 years ago to a 4th choice cow hunt. But they still need to work on getting the people w/more points to get drawn. Less people put in for the tag I drew this year, 131 last year and 100 this year, avg. points was 6, I went w/6 points. I can see a low number last year, first year of this tag, but the number should have gone up.