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Offline demontang

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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2010, 12:14:31 PM »
I love my olympic arms k16. Its a little loud but man does it shoot and its very easy to turn in heavy cover if you have to cause of its lenght. When it comes to AR's its really just a name game and how much you want to spend. I have seen colts and rock river both not cycle loads my oly will and I havent seen one brand out shoot any other. All three will shoot well under 1moa if you have a good rest. :twocents:

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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2010, 03:24:10 PM »
I agree with sako223 on the barrel length. I have a Smith ansd Wesson with ithe 16" no noticable velocity loss. Easy to handle light ect. Mine is 1-9 twist and shoots everthing from 52-69gr. very well. They are hand loads tho.

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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2010, 04:07:48 PM »
I agree with sako223 on the barrel length. I have a Smith ansd Wesson with ithe 16" no noticable velocity loss.

Shoot through a chronograph if you want to notice it :P, the difference between 24" and 16" is roughly 250fps for a 62gr bullet but as long as your bullet will perform well at a slightly lowered velocity its no big deal. The difference is about 100 yards practical range for the extra 8" of barrel and probably 4-5 more pounds if it's a bull barrel vs a standard contour.

Mine is a heavy pig although tripledigits felt it was a bit lighter than his bolt action Axiom (idk it's close for sure) but it is deadly accurate and very easy to shoot, extra weight can be nice for steadying the muzzle but it's not so much fun to pack it around.
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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2010, 04:16:03 PM »
I agree with sako223 on the barrel length. I have a Smith ansd Wesson with ithe 16" no noticable velocity loss.

Shoot through a chronograph if you want to notice it :P, the difference between 24" and 16" is roughly 250fps for a 62gr bullet but as long as your bullet will perform well at a slightly lowered velocity its no big deal. The difference is about 100 yards practical range for the extra 8" of barrel and probably 4-5 more pounds if it's a bull barrel vs a standard contour.

Mine is a heavy pig although tripledigits felt it was a bit lighter than his bolt action Axiom (idk it's close for sure) but it is deadly accurate and very easy to shoot, extra weight can be nice for steadying the muzzle but it's not so much fun to pack it around.

It is definitely heavier than my MP15 (weighs about 7#) but did not feel quite as heavy as my Howa Axiom. I think my Axiom weighs about 15# with the Harris Pivoting Bipod on it - your AR did not feel as heavy to me. But then again it could simply be the cool factor - since yours was so cool looking I didnt notice it was as heavy!  :chuckle:
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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2010, 06:35:22 AM »
Why don't you just ask if someone prefers blonds or red heads?  :chuckle: Put some bran names on a board and throw a dart. Your wanting to kill yotes? All will kill yotes. OOOPs forgot brunets sorry ladies.
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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2010, 10:17:53 AM »
Does it really matter which one everyone else likes?

I say get which ever one you and your dad like or want, they all are good and they all kill coyotes. I build all of mine with a mix-match bunch of parts and they kill, shoot and function as good as anything out there.

Buy what you like, don't let anyone tell you one is better than the other, these days they are all good. Go fondel a few different models and think about optics you plan on using, put it together in your head what you would like it to look like, plan the whole thing as a complete package from scope to sling.

Don't be in a big rush to buy the first theng you look at. Short barrels or long, they all work well, just that some will fit better in your given application.

 I prefer 20 inch barrels and A2 stocks for hunting. I also prefer the 6.8 cal over the 223, it just flat kills dogs, but I have both calibers and a few more to choose from. You should pick which one is best for you. Brand names are just that.....names.

Use good ammo, mags and get a good trigger then, go practice with it.  :dunno: What else is there to say  :dunno:
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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2010, 01:53:58 PM »
Don't use 55gr in a 1in9 twsit barrel...your performance won't be as good.  You are gonna want 62gr minimum for that twist.  If it's just a yote gun, I would go with at least a 24" bbl with a 1in8 twist (that will let u move into the 70+gr bullets). who makes it really doesn't matter......I usually get Olympic arms (they are 15 min away...easy access)

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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2010, 08:52:05 PM »
Any mfgr you like and feels good in your hands. They all work the same in my opinion, shoot, hit, dead !!!
Get a good scope. I have a Bushnell on my..no problems.
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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2010, 07:35:48 PM »
Don't use 55gr in a 1in9 twist barrel...your performance won't be as good.  You are gonna want 62gr minimum for that twist.  If it's just a yote gun, I would go with at least a 24" bbl with a 1in8 twist (that will let u move into the 70+gr bullets). who makes it really doesn't matter......I usually get Olympic arms (they are 15 min away...easy access)

You might just get a lot of people to disagree with that statement.

Out of the tens thousands of rounds I have fired with a 9 twist in probably close to 20 AR's and a Remington 223 with 9 twist, it has shown to be of the the better twist rates for the 55grain bullets of many brands. most any 9 twist barrel and 55 grain bullets should group 1 inch or less at 100 yards on average.

Before I retired from Law Enforcement all of our AR15 rifles and carbines, (100 plus), used 9 twist exclusively, and the ammo we used was Federal 55grain HP's, all of them shot under 1 inch at 100 yards, so I'm not sure where you are getting your information.
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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2010, 08:08:04 PM »
I have an R-15 with an 18" barrel in 1 in 9" twist.  I was very surprised how accurate that gun is and I normally shoot 55 grain V-Max or softpoints and 55 grain MidwayUSA Dogtown bullets loaded myself.  Definitely MOA but also realize that every barrel is different.

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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2010, 12:22:21 PM »
most any 9 twist barrel and 55 grain bullets should group 1 inch or less at 100 yards on average.

Interesting that you say that, my 1 in 9 AR is chambered in .223 Remington and I have only found one 55gr so far that it really seems to like! Ironically enough it happens to like the Remington bullets...It will group those in about 3/8" at 100 yards. All of the other 55gr stuff I've put through it grouped pretty poorly (2.5" or worse) and most of the 62gr stuff groups at least fairly well (1.5" or better). I haven't shot any heavier stuff through it or any match bullets at all yet, it liked the Brown Bear 62gr hp so well I stopped experimenting.
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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2010, 03:49:44 PM »
most any 9 twist barrel and 55 grain bullets should group 1 inch or less at 100 yards on average.

Interesting that you say that, my 1 in 9 AR is chambered in .223 Remington and I have only found one 55gr so far that it really seems to like! Ironically enough it happens to like the Remington bullets...It will group those in about 3/8" at 100 yards. All of the other 55gr stuff I've put through it grouped pretty poorly (2.5" or worse) and most of the 62gr stuff groups at least fairly well (1.5" or better). I haven't shot any heavier stuff through it or any match bullets at all yet, it liked the Brown Bear 62gr hp so well I stopped experimenting.

That's interesting you say that, most of that steel cased lacquer coated junk ammo don't do well in anything with a decent chamber due to it's various tolerances and lot variations in consistency. If you found a good lot and it works well for you, then I would say stick with it.  I have never had good luck with any of the Silver Bear or Brown Bear ammo, it seems that the consistency is just not there, then again, I don't do chrome lined barrels. As you well discovered, there is nothing wrong with Remington bullets, they have a proven track record for decent performance in all types of applications and it sounds as though a 3/8" group is good to go. But then again every barrel is different and some days it seems nothing does well.
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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2010, 03:56:32 PM »
Mine is stainless barreled, I'm surprised you have had poor luck with the steel cased stuff, Silver Bear is also quite accurate from my .308. I've also shot a ton of the steel cased pistol bullets without issue and still surprising accuracy.
The reason there are so many Ruger upgrades is because they're necessary.

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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2010, 05:48:36 PM »
Well I have to admit it has been several years since I've tried the stuff, perhaps it's better than before. But I think I'll stay with brass case reloads for now, I have probably 10k rounds of Lake City brass so no need to get more. Thanks for the info  :tup:
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Re: Which AR for coyotes?
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2010, 08:15:18 PM »
shoot, i have a DPMS lower with the colt CM upper, round hand guard w/ carry handle and open sights, and from the bench in Fernan was ringing the gong at 400 yards shooting american eagle!  haven't had an opportunity with it for coyotes, but the air force shooting coach at the range that day was impressed!   :chuckle:

 


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