Tribal Regs????

[colockumelk]

Wazukie I think that you are completely missing the point.  The fact that their game regs are different than ours is no different than the Jim Crowe laws.  According to you and your opinion you fully support the Jim Crowe laws.  I urge you to look up the definition of Racism and Discrimination.  I believe that you will find that both of those definitions define the difference in Indians game laws and the game laws that we American's must follow.  This is THE ONLY set of laws that I know of that discriminates based upon race in America.  So your fine with that.  Please explain your reasons!

[Wazukie]

all Im saying is quit complaining about the  laws that were set forth over 100 years ago and set forth to change them.  I also get tired of all the Indian bashing that goes on in here.  It gets old!!! I've never said that I agree with the whole Sovereign Nation Idea. My opinion is if the want to be a total Sovereign Nation, then lets put up fences and give them a visa if they want to enter our Nation.

The issue is not a State issue, It is a Federal Issue.  It is the Federal Government that agreed to the right of the treaties, which included their right to hunt and fish on all ceded lands. I know that the Yakima Nation has Hunting regulations, as liberal as they may be.  I also know that not all Yakima's follow these regulations.  I also know that they dump a whole lot of money to preserve fish and wildlife in this state.  It may not seam that way, but from what I've seen, well thats where my comments come from.  I can tell you this much, if it wasnt for the Yakima Nation, you wouldnt have the fishery on the Kilckitat that you have today, because the state nor the feds have the money to put into it.  Just my observations with working with one tribe in this nation we ALL live in.

[colockumelk]

Okay I see what your saying now. We agree on alot. For the record the Yakamas have put money into the salmon but that's it. They have not helped out in the slightest in regards to deer and elk. . The state could do alot more but chooses not to because of who runs our state. All of which is redundant to the main issue which is...

If we as hunters want things to change we have to forget about hunting rights as the main point. Most people don't care and if they did would side against us. If we want change we have to attack this issue for what it is A 100% Civil Rights Issue! That's how we win.

[letsgosleddin]

Each tribe works with the state to set the regs for each season. Im Lummi. Our regs change from year to year. Last year we could hunt the st helens area. this year we cannot. and can now hunt other areas. In many places we can hunt for either sex but in others its bull only. Yes our seasons are longer and can use rifle or bow. Many people who are bad talking the indians on here i bet would love to be able to hunt under indian regs.

[monster_bull]

all Im saying is quit complaining about the  laws that were set forth over 100 years ago and set forth to change them.  I also get tired of all the Indian bashing that goes on in here.  It gets old!!! I've never said that I agree with the whole Sovereign Nation Idea. My opinion is if the want to be a total Sovereign Nation, then lets put up fences and give them a visa if they want to enter our Nation.

The issue is not a State issue, It is a Federal Issue.  It is the Federal Government that agreed to the right of the treaties, which included their right to hunt and fish on all ceded lands. I know that the Yakima Nation has Hunting regulations, as liberal as they may be.  I also know that not all Yakima's follow these regulations.  I also know that they dump a whole lot of money to preserve fish and wildlife in this state.  It may not seam that way, but from what I've seen, well thats where my comments come from.  I can tell you this much, if it wasnt for the Yakima Nation, you wouldnt have the fishery on the Kilckitat that you have today, because the state nor the feds have the money to put into it.  Just my observations with working with one tribe in this nation we ALL live in.

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FIrst of all if we put a fence through "Yakama's Land" the fence would stretch across 24.3 million acres.. did you know that? That the yakama's territory went that far before we took there land from them? The Yakama tribe is one of the
biggest contributors to the salmon run maybe you should think a little bit harder before you open you mouth. and your Nation? We landed on there nation in the first place. so Boo Hoo that you dont get to shoot bulls and bucks. get over \
it. you want to change a treaty? do you evern know what that means? you think that the hunting is bad. wait tell you see the check the goverment would have to write for changing the treaty. good luck. so suck it up and quit crying about elk and deer. i dont know one person in this world that if had the chance and  handed a rifle and a 6 x 6 standing in front of them and some one told them to shoot with out getting in trouble. would turn that down. And i dont beleave anyone that says " i would but i wouldnt say it was for the meat". get real. i now if some one told me that i would. And anther thing inidains cant put animals in the record book. Who said that?

[pods8]

i dont know one person in this world that if had the chance and  handed a rifle and a 6 x 6 standing in front of them and some one told them to shoot with out getting in trouble. would turn that down.

Its not even the argument.  The issue is one ground of US citizens should not have more right to that possibility than others just by the race they were born into.

[bullcanyon]

If nothing else. They should have to hunt with the same equipment that they used when the treaty was signed. If they want to use a rifle. They should have to buy a wa state license and follow the same rules we do. Times have changed. Laws should too.

We weed out dirtbags in our woods the best we can. Sense of pride wont let us put up with it. One would think there has to be some pride left in some of the tribes.

We need organization before a difference will be made.

[CAMPMEAT]

I have 10 points for elk, honestly. I haven't applied for a tag because I work out of town.
What should I do ?

[FC]

It is the Federal Government that agreed to the right of the treaties, which included their right to hunt and fish on all ceded lands.

I don't think anyone here cares about what hunting/fishing is done on tribal land, its the hunting/fishing on non-tribal land that pisses everyone off. Your argument is full of hate and lacking in grammar, I am guessing you have tribal rights yourself?

[monster_bull]

my argument is not full of hate. Maybe you should read some other post about native Americans. that is hate. because
some one is different then you and gets to hunt when ever he wants. You hate him because you cant do the same. I have
seen bulls and buck lay dead with there horns cut off. but every ones is first to point a finger a the natives. but never
points the finger at the non - natives.  At least when you look in the back on there truck you see and elk and the meat and
not just the horns. I have been in the hills during modern rifle season. i have heard the gun shots late at night. but let me
guess you going to blame those shots on the natives right? At least they don't let it lay. i understand you frustration. but blaming every thing on the natives doesn't work. i think history tells us that one.  And face it you cant change the treaty. You cant change there hunting rights. So why don't we quit bashing them and take a look in the minor and see what we have become because of this. I know.. i see what native Americans do.. i see what they kill. but i also see what non- natives do and what they have done.

[ICEMAN]

Nice try.

You cannot really try to insinuate that folks here are bigots, intolerant or are hateful. ( I know you didn't use the word bigot but hear me out...) Would you think it was intolerant or hateful if an individual basically only posted about the importance to speak up for and defend tribal hunters?  As far as I have seen around here..., most guys on this site have no problem crucifying tribal or white poachers. If you would take a bit of time to read how many threads we have on this site that address poaching, address any hunter not following the rules, you would see that we do "bash" white poachers. We would probably hang them if we lived in another time. Have we seen many tribal members on here suggesting that they need to enforce tribal game laws?    I feel that if a person only comes to the defense of one "race" than they are intolerant/bigotted. I see hunters here griping about any race, any lawbreaker.

The fact of the matter is that many here feel that the tribes do not police themselves, that tribal "regualtions" are a bunch of baloney, and that tribal members get a free ride even if caught breaking their own rules.

How many tribal prosecutions of tribal members are you aware of? Huh? Non tribal guys get tried every time if they get caught breaking a rule. 39 District courts and 39 Superior courts in this state and they all see non-tribal knuckleheads getting prosecuted for even the most insignificant of game laws. Now, how many tribal prosecutions do you think occur each year in this state...the tribes prosecuting tribal law breakers?... 

There is no equity in this state regarding hunting and fishing laws, or the prosecution of violations of those laws. This is a major complaint about the tribes around here. Hide behind the treaties all you want, the fact is that it appears to most hunters that the tribes could care less about enforcing their own game laws. This is one thing that could be changed, and I really doubt that they will.....

[colockumelk]

Monstwr bull you are completely missing the point. I challenge you to argue against my point. Which is: the tribal hunting rights are extremely discriminatory. Look up the definition and tell me that its not. Just because a treaty says you can do something doesn't mean that its right. When that treaty was signed it was legal to own slaves. Well guess what that was wrong and we ammensed that right. 60 years ago Jim Crow laws allowed discrimination in public places. Because that was discriminatory those laws were ammended. Well guess what the fact that different people have different laws is DISCRIMINATION.

And guess what buddy the days of that discrimination is gonna end sooner than you think. Because once we prove that those laws that give you rights that I don't have because of race is discrimination and thus unconstitutional by by special rights.  Because guess what it was not a treaty that gave you those rights it was a supreme court decision that gave them to you. And guess what supreme court decisions are overturned all the time. So it will not be all that difficult to overturn.  I give it 4 years Max before that happens.

So please explain how this is an okay situation where different laws based upon race is okay. I would love to hear a good argument because so far no one has even responses to my argument.

[FC]

Monster bull...I don't just run around blaming people for things but when I personally witness this crap?!?!?! I call it like I see it. I get pissed when I witness poaching and I generally make it stop too.

[BobD]

OK!  Think about this.  And PLEASE don't be offended !!    ALL MEN CREATED EQUAL UNDER THE CONSITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES!
No more treatys no more resevations no more federal govt. oversight

Wow did I say that??

[pods8]

because some one is different then you and gets to hunt when ever he wants.

That is just it, someone born to a tribe in my mind is no different than any other US citizen, they deserve no better or worse treatment than anyone else.  Its ridiculous to behave otherwise.  Granting special privileges on race is wrong and illegal in all other instances.

Its boggling to me as well folks will take all the "positive to them" racism they can pull their way but I'm pretty sure if we threw out some laws that Indians weren't allowed to do various things any other US citizen is allowed to do they'd be screaming up a storm about how wrong it is.  Enough of the hypocrisy.