good day 4 the tribe

[WSU]

I can't see the plate good enough to determine what state it is, let alone what letters/numbers are on it.  Can someone who can clean it up, like maybe 6X6, post a pic that we can tell a little better?

[Practical Approach]

1st, there are WA State plates on the truck...can someone run them. Blown up it looks like a personal plate 'I Text' or something like that. Someone out there should be able to clean it up and run it. Secondly there aren't many places in washington someone is going to get two rockies like that at the same time. Third, A poacher wouldn't load them like that and flaunt them and I doubt many sportsmen would either. Fourth, how many tag holders are going to double up on those hogs with archery, then be in a place to load them whole. Fifth, taxidermy mounts...really...you spend $2000 each, wait a year and a half then throw them in the back of a truck piled on top of each other???  Admit it...these are indian rat bass turds somewhere in eastern WA and every sportsman on here has a right to be flamed  .

I must have missed the time and date stamp on the picture.  You are assuming it is current and taken during archery season. You can get two bulls like that on private property. If someone can track them down and confirm I will admit it, until then I don't know when or where that picture was taken.  Hell, the person could have had a guided hunt in Montana.  

[Gutpile]

I keep going back to that picture and wonder where it came from?  It today's media age you can photoshop or take pictures out of context.  Sure is a nice truck, not like most tribal rigs I see.  The small picture is such poor quality that I can't even tell if those are whole elk or just someone hauling two shoulder mounts from a taxidermy shop.  I get so sick of people getting all fired up about what could be?  Do we have a tribal name yet.  Do we have an exact location?  Whether its politics or some other BS floation around my email, most of it is that exactly BS designed to get people all pissed off jumping to conclusions.  This picture might be a tribal hunter, however I have my doubts without more info to go off of.

I would have said the exact same thing had I not seen it with my own two eyes last weekend. Not this truck but another. You are waaaaayyyyyy off base about the "tribal members only drive *censored*" comment. The one i saw was a early 2000's chevy with a toad in the back, probably a nicer bull than I'll ever kill. The other guys we saw were in a very nice late 90's F-250. So be skeptical all you want but just know this. Your wrong.

I don't doubt you see tribal hunters with mature/trophy quality bucks and elk in the backs of their trucks. Again, do you know they were tribal members?  You talked to them.  Most people see a dark skinned person or just assume it must be a tribal member hunting under a tribal tag.  Some tribe buy state tags and even apply in the permit process.  I never said they only drive crummy trucks.  But I did lean that a lot of them are older trucks.  Your just another person that has made an accusation with no factual evidence other than I saw or my brothers sister saw or a friend of a friend saw. 

I hate that I am sounding like a backer of tribal hunters, but some of these forums are way off base. Some folks sound more like an angry mob than concerned productive hunters. 


The

Geez guy, either they were tribal or they were very blatant poachers who just happen to be indian. There were no legal seasons open for elk while we were there..................... ere...................... you know.............................for us. Is that enough? You want to bury your head in the sand go for it. But again........................................ Your wrong. You sound like the type of guy who says I'm racist because I don't agree with Obama. Maybe I should have gotten there friggin phone #'s. Again for late comers I'm not talking about the photo. I'm talking about what I saw in the blues last weekend. This stuff does happen.

[Practical Approach]

I keep going back to that picture and wonder where it came from?  It today's media age you can photoshop or take pictures out of context.  Sure is a nice truck, not like most tribal rigs I see.  The small picture is such poor quality that I can't even tell if those are whole elk or just someone hauling two shoulder mounts from a taxidermy shop.  I get so sick of people getting all fired up about what could be?  Do we have a tribal name yet.  Do we have an exact location?  Whether its politics or some other BS floation around my email, most of it is that exactly BS designed to get people all pissed off jumping to conclusions.  This picture might be a tribal hunter, however I have my doubts without more info to go off of.

I would have said the exact same thing had I not seen it with my own two eyes last weekend. Not this truck but another. You are waaaaayyyyyy off base about the "tribal members only drive *censored*" comment. The one i saw was a early 2000's chevy with a toad in the back, probably a nicer bull than I'll ever kill. The other guys we saw were in a very nice late 90's F-250. So be skeptical all you want but just know this. Your wrong.

I don't doubt you see tribal hunters with mature/trophy quality bucks and elk in the backs of their trucks. Again, do you know they were tribal members?  You talked to them.  Most people see a dark skinned person or just assume it must be a tribal member hunting under a tribal tag.  Some tribe buy state tags and even apply in the permit process.  I never said they only drive crummy trucks.  But I did lean that a lot of them are older trucks.  Your just another person that has made an accusation with no factual evidence other than I saw or my brothers sister saw or a friend of a friend saw. 

I hate that I am sounding like a backer of tribal hunters, but some of these forums are way off base. Some folks sound more like an angry mob than concerned productive hunters. 


The

Geez guy, either they were tribal or they were very blatant poachers who just happen to be indian. There were no legal seasons open for elk while we were there..................... ere...................... you know.............................for us. Is that enough? You want to bury your head in the sand go for it. But again........................................ Your wrong. You sound like the type of guy who says I'm racist because I don't agree with Obama. Maybe I should have gotten there friggin phone #'s. Again for late comers I'm not talking about the photo. I'm talking about what I saw in the blues last weekend. This stuff does happen.

Wow how did we get into politics?  Are you going to go down the religion road as well.  My point is not to try to prove that you were lying about what you saw.  I don't care one way or another. My point is that you shouldn't jump on the bandwagon feet first for every piece of heresay info or random picture that gets posted on a forum.  I suppose you believe everything you read in the paper and everything the political TV ads say? 

[6x6rack]

Your right, I can't completly make out the letters or numbers, thats why I asked...I hope someone else can...but I can clearly make out the blue mountain behind the letters. It's Washington. No-one (sane) is going to drive from Montana with two whole, unskinned animals in the back of their truck. Meat would be spoiled by the time they got home. Private property from last year or before...possible.... with someone trying to stir the pot but I just don't see two guys with the bulls of their lifetime dumping them on top of one another in the back of a truck when they would have close access to the landowners place and obvious manpower or equipment (loaded them whole) to properly take care of them. I may be naive, but most would covet the tags to get these animals as they have waited for years and wouldn't treat them with such disregard. These are not raghorns (and I hope they wouldn't be treated this way either) These are trophy animals...bulls of most peoples lifetime. I will give you this...either a dumb ass or an indian-I'm pissed either way.

[Gutpile]

Wow. I give up. I didn't bring up politics, I was making a point that your basically saying I'm racist or anyone who thinks that pic could possibly be tribal is racist and just race baiting trying to make people hate indians. So that said, don't believe that it could possibly be a real pic. Just go on asking for proof that will never materialize. Thats just a stupid stance to take. How about thinking to yourself...................."Hmmmmmm, I wonder if this stuff happens". Because it does and it sucks.

[6x6rack]

Are you going to go down the religion road as well.

OK, you won me over. Indians think elk are sacred and would never do this.

[Practical Approach]

OK you got me, I am trying to convert everyone to an Indian lover. I don't think I will get my point across.  I get that this stuff happens. I get that tribes take animals that the rest of us can' t take due to season differences.  I get that tribes make take trophy animals but don't treat them the way the rest of us might.  I get that there are poachers that are tribal and state hunters.  I am not trying to say it doesn't happen, I trying to say be careful of what you hear from others without substantial proof. It is easy to believe something that might or might not be true if it is something you are passionate about. 

[6x6rack]

I am not trying to say it doesn't happen, I trying to say be careful of what you hear from others without substantial proof.

Those are Washington plates in broad daylight. No non tribal poacher would risk that. Those are trophies of a lifetime being loaded like the days garbage in the back of a pick-up...no one who has waited years for those tags would do that, let alone two guys agreeing to do it. "what do you think Bob, do you care if yours antlers are banging against the rear bumper"  "ah seein' as yours are smashed against the tailgate I guess its ok" Haha, Haha...man that sure is a big pile of elk."

[woodswalker]

Posted by: Practical Approach

I hate that I am sounding like a backer of tribal hunters, but some of these forums are way off base. Some folks sound more like an angry mob than concerned productive hunters.  

Yes you are sorta sounding that way...and yes some of the folks here sound like a mob.  

I have hunted the Yakima/Colockum herds for a generation now.  MOST, not all but MOST of the abuses i've managed to document well enough to stand up in a FAIR court have been tribal kills and have been dismissed IF, IF they went anywhere past the determination of affiliation.

Does that FROST ME...You bet Red Rider it does.  >I< would be in JAIL and not able to hunt.  

Yes, I know about the treaties....HOWEVER wildlife MANAGEMENT doesnt work if part of the parties are under no obligation to FOLLOW the rules.  True Spike (unless you are a Tribal member), Spike Only (unless you are a tribal member), 3pt min on mulies (unless you are a tribal member), hunting only in open season (unless you are a tribal member).  Start to see a trend here?

Its THAT inequity and the FEW who take BLATANT advantage of it that ABSOLUTELY INFURIATES the rest of us who see our opportunities dwindling.

[TheHunt]

To fix this...  Make the unit an open bull unit.   You do that for a couple of years the indians will come to the table.   

[motcha]

Wow!  Come on guys... let it out... lets hear how you really feel! 

So if I were to show some pics during regular general seasons of unskinned deer/elk being brought on the hwy... would they be ridiculed as you have these pics??  I mean thats what most of you are mad at right?  Or should they have cut the heads off and tied them to the bumper?  Hey maybe they should have threw a tarp over them ... that way any truck with a tarp would be deemed a 'tribal' hunter with a bull or 6.... 

I mean so they were Tribal.... that must mean they all do it right?? 

[whiteeyes]

Wow!  Come on guys... let it out... lets hear how you really feel! 

So if I were to show some pics during regular general seasons of unskinned deer/elk being brought on the hwy... would they be ridiculed as you have these pics??  I mean thats what most of you are mad at right?  Or should they have cut the heads off and tied them to the bumper?  Hey maybe they should have threw a tarp over them ... that way any truck with a tarp would be deemed a 'tribal' hunter with a bull or 6.... 

I mean so they were Tribal.... that must mean they all do it right?? 

[270Shooter]

Wow!  Come on guys... let it out... lets hear how you really feel! 

So if I were to show some pics during regular general seasons of unskinned deer/elk being brought on the hwy... would they be ridiculed as you have these pics??  I mean thats what most of you are mad at right?  Or should they have cut the heads off and tied them to the bumper?  Hey maybe they should have threw a tarp over them ... that way any truck with a tarp would be deemed a 'tribal' hunter with a bull or 6.... 

I mean so they were Tribal.... that must mean they all do it right?? 

We're pissed because the indians can go out and shoot as many elk as they want, whenever they want, wherever they want. Not saying they all do it, but enough of them do it to make a statement, same thing happens in the entiat when the deer migrate down low. Its BS

[motcha]

I just hate to see such hatred towards Tribal hunters. 

Just be sure to know, other Tribes can and are different with their seasons and bag limits.  Not only that but some are reall and true sportsman.  You can say what you want and make your own conclusions from other stories you hear from a friend of a friends cousin...

I know some of you have known at one time or another a Tribal member... and please feed of the impression that they left and not what the bad apples leave.