good day 4 the tribe

[bobcat]

Don't bother killing any spikes for me. I'll be over here hunting elk in a 3 point minimum unit.  I don't like shooting the babies. But good luck- I hope you can find some elk close enough to the road that you don't have to get out and get your boots muddy before you kill it.

[remington300mag]

Ya, the Yakima is a strong tribe.....Is that why you have to say, "That used to be my land" "The land the white man GAVE us" "The treaty the white man GAVE you".....

Tell the truth Monster Bull......You and your people are pretty damn lucky.....You were a defeated race....tell me any other time in history that a defeated race has been given so much?!?!? Truth is, you are extremely lucky to have what you have....Count your blessings Monster Bull.....Just like 150 years ago it can all be taken away in a heart beat! There will be a day when you will wish that you had listened a little more and tried to help the cause....not hinder it!

[Coastal_native]

I know its getting pretty deep in here... but just to add some sensitivity awareness to the whole "its been 150 years, get over it already" argument...yes, the treaties were signed roughly 150 years ago, but some of the atrocities on native people lasted late into the 1900's including the sterilization of Native American women by the Bureau of Indian Affairs.  lets not down play the struggles of Indian people and the "decimation" of a proud race, especially since decimation is one of the topics of discussion...  Why should we "get over" something that has left our culture in ruins.  

Is that really what you guys think?  Or am i misinterpreting what you're saying.

[bobcat]

Two wrongs don't make a right. That about covers it I think.

[remington300mag]

I know its getting pretty deep in here... but just to add some sensitivity awareness to the whole "its been 150 years, get over it already" argument...yes, the treaties were signed roughly 150 years ago, but some of the atrocities on native people lasted late into the 1900's including the sterilization of Native American women by the Bureau of Indian Affairs.  lets not down play the struggles of Indian people and the "decimation" of a proud race, especially since decimation is one of the topics of discussion...  Why should we "get over" something that has left our culture in ruins.  

Is that really what you guys think?  Or am i misinterpreting what you're saying.

Change with the times or die on the vines!!! Again I will say.....Other than the Native Americans, when else in history has a conquered nation or a race of people been givin' so much???

[270Shooter]

I would pay big money to get a chance to hunt deer and elk on the yak rez. But don't think they dont hunt their on reservaion bobcat, I have seen them driving all over autanum ridge at night using spotlights to shoot elk and deer.

[bobcat]

I would pay big money to get a chance to hunt deer and elk on the yak rez. But don't think they dont hunt their on reservaion bobcat, I have seen them driving all over autanum ridge at night using spotlights to shoot elk and deer.

Honestly I didn't know if they hunted the reservation or not. Kind of wondered if they had wiped out all the game and that's why they have to go and hunt OUR elk on the Colockum. But from the sounds of it they do it just "because they can" and apparently to piss us "white guys" off.

[Coastal_native]

Rem,

I'm not arguing that...I just think there's a better way to say what you're trying to say without being insensitive.  I mean c'mon, I'm being honest...it was a pretty bad deal what happened to Native Americans and if we still want to grieve over it, just let us...don't tell us to get over it.  My father died when I was a kid and I still grieve over it...it's perfectly normal to remember the past.

This is has nothing to do with hunting, if you want to use the difference in hunting between now and 150 years ago in an argument, I have no problem with that.  

Am i being unreasonable right now?

[bobcat]

Monster Bull is the one being unreasonable. He said that he was "kicked off" of "my land."  

[Coastal_native]

And again, I'm not trying to get into a debate with you, but...we we're not "given" anything by our conquerers, we came to an agreement of peace in which we would retain an area that we already occupied and the right to hunt it...we already had those things...we were not given them.

[remington300mag]

Yes you are being reasonable CN......but I do want to make one point to you.....My mother is damn near pure Cheyenne....might not be 100% but she looks more than a lot of the suppose natives in this state.... I asked her one time why we didn't get the special moneys and privileges as a lot of other natives....her only response was....."Son, we are in a different time, I did not have to live with those injustices nor am I going to live off of what my ancestors went through." Those words stuck in my head.....guess I am just pissed about the whole....."Poor Poor me....I want something for nothing!" That is exactly what the Yakima's are getting....they are getting to kill what ever they want, when ever they want.....yet are not doing a damn thing to help the herds in the process!!!

[remington300mag]

And again, I'm not trying to get into a debate with you, but...we we're not "given" anything by our conquerers, we came to an agreement of peace in which we would retain an area that we already occupied and the right to hunt it...we already had those things...we were not given them.

My point being CN......you can not argue the fact that the tribes of North America could have been and would have been eradicated from the earth if they had not signed the treaties.....so in turn....YES, the white man did give you the land....the rights..... We could have taken it all....All other times where this occurred, the conquered party did not receive anything.....and were not allowed to keep anything!

[tlbradford]

I cleaned this thread up a little since it was going downhill fast.  Monster Bull is no longer allowed to post in the forum.

[Coastal_native]

rem,

Good posts, no argument there and I am thankful that my people decided to sign treaties, but I'm not going to pretend that it was a generous offer by the US gov. 

[remington300mag]

rem,

Good posts, no argument there and I am thankful that my people decided to sign treaties, but I'm not going to pretend that it was a generous offer by the US gov.  

Nope, not generous at all!! The natives took it in the shorts!! They did end up better off than any other invaded nation....but it was still a bum deal! Now, fast forward to 2010..... That is the key, 2010!! Let's all work together and build our herds up....lets work together so that maybe, just maybe our kids kids get a chance at a monster bull elk in the state of Washington!

I also want to say this CN....since you have made your way onto this thread, I have honestly been given a little hope that maybe something can be done.....You really do bring a different perspective to things.....and much needed one at that!