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rem,you're misinterpreting what I'm saying, I meant...not a generous offer in the sense that the alternative was to die.
Agreed, I gotta get a life...I've been glued to this thread for three days now, I'm trying to respond to everything like I'm saving the world . MF elk opener tomorrow, and I'm trying to help a buddy fill a tag with some of my "secret squirrel" info. Everybody needs an indian tracker . Hopefully we'll have pics of a successful hunt, it'll be his first bull.
tlbradford,are there rules that we can reference about conduct on this forum? I'm curious about the criteria for being removed...I don't want to be removed yet, I still have a lot to say.
Rem,I'm not arguing that...I just think there's a better way to say what you're trying to say without being insensitive. I mean c'mon, I'm being honest...it was a pretty bad deal what happened to Native Americans and if we still want to grieve over it, just let us...don't tell us to get over it. My father died when I was a kid and I still grieve over it...it's perfectly normal to remember the past.This is has nothing to do with hunting, if you want to use the difference in hunting between now and 150 years ago in an argument, I have no problem with that. Am i being unreasonable right now?
Colockum pay up..... haha just kiddingThere was a winter and I cant remember the year, but the State could not afford to buy and feed the herd hay and the little old Yakama Indian Lady that lived at the mouth of the Nanuem fed them her hay to sustain them all winter. I know that might not seem like a big deal or contribution, but I find that pretty cool. Washing a window from only one side will still leave an unclear view, but it is a start to a clearer future. Peace!
monterbull,I agree with you on this, our tribe has a problem giving information to the WDFW directly because we fear they will try to use it against us...they've done it in the past. Luckily we have the northwest indian fisheries commision. They do all the data sharing with the state for the tribes over here...they just don't let the state know which tribe the data is coming from. That's not important for their purposes anyway.
Hopefully we'll have pics of a successful hunt, it'll be his first bull.
I was just reading and re-reading this thread and some things struck me that are worth a second look.First, I have yet to see a Native American on this thread step up and say "hey, obviously there is a problem, how can I help" It's been one empty, lame excuse after another.Second, Why when a white person speaks their mind it is offensive, but rubbing poaching in our face is not? There is no need to chase the tail of "EQUAL" again and that taking all bulls is not an "EQUAL" sharing of the resource. That battle has been fought and won, despite somes un-willingness to apply this kindergarden level logic. (lets take 10 little pieces of candy, and 5 great big pieces of candy and put it in front of kindergardners. Lets give the 10 little ones to Johny and the 5 big ones to Sally. First Johnny is going to complain that Sally got all the big ones, then at recess Sally is going to say NEENER, NEENER, NEENER...I got all the big ones" Why...because even a knidergardner can see the resource was not divided "EQUALLY" and both parties damn well know it.Third, Every time someone steps in and says, "hey, we are sick of this, lets find a way to get something done" An Indian jumps in with ...No, that wont work, Hey you will loose, Bad idea, that was already decieded etc, etc. I think they are wrong, and truly believe racial or Class discrimination CAN NOT be applied where public funds are being used to manage a public resource on public property. I do think they can on the REZ, but NO WAY on public property. Members of any other Nation must abide by the laws of our land. A Frenchman, German, Italian etc cant kill three bulls just because they are of a different Nationality, Neither can an Indian. It is poaching if it is on public property and We CAN beat them.Fourth, It is glaringly obvious Tribes are not going to step up and be part of the solution, they like it the way it is (and what poor, poor abused Indian wouldn't love getting paid Tens of thousands of dollars a year to break the law) In Hood Canal a couple years ago, two tribal members held a white hunter at GUNPOINT for two hours, on PUBLIC property because they thought he had poached an elk...he hadn't, he was perfectly legal). I think every time we see a non tagged elk we stop the vehicle, hold the suspects if they are unable to produce a WDFW tag until the game warden shows up to make sure it hasn't been poached. Yes it will cause massive uproar...but that is exactly what we need right now. Once this gets into the media spotlight, and the massive poaching problem by the tribes becomes public,THE TRIBES PUBLIC PERCEPTION WILL BE THAT OF AN ABUSIVE HUSBAND...SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTING THE SACRED FAMILY, BUT NOTHING MORE THAN A COWARDLY ABUSER BEHIND CLOSED DOORS......at that moment we start a campaign for everyone who has been offended by the tribes careless and wreckless abuse of the elk herds to boycot all things Indian. WDFW will have to address the problem before someone gets killed, and the indians will have to come to the table and agree to simply be part of the solution or watch their Casinos be boycotted. I will definately stand at the entrance to the REZ with boycott signs, and I bet a hundred thousand other sportsmen will as well.So, next time I am in the Colockum you may read about me in the paper. I am going to hold the first person who cant produce a WDFW tag for an elk in their possession until WDFW arrives to document the incident and make sure the animal wasn't paoched. This will give me legal documentation to prove that someone was able to, based solely on RACE, get away with poaching an elk on public property, maintained by government management, and supported with public funds. Case open... WE CAN win this one. I dont see a Judge in the US who will open up the door for Racial and Class discrimination on public property, managed by public employees using public funds. WORST case I see the ruling being they can kill all they want on the REZ, are entitled to half the resource, but must obey government laws when on government property.
