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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2010, 06:52:47 PM »
Is the set-up as a whole (except arrows) the same?  I had one of those snap on side quivers that I used to take off for practicing.....I just stuck the field tips in the dirt, then snapped it on when I had broadheads.  My shots were a bit off, until I started doing everything the same.

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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2010, 06:53:22 PM »
Your having the same problems that every archer has, before you go messing with your bow, and if its paper tuned then maybe that broadhead doesn't shoot well out of your bow, I would try a different broadhead, I like the Wac'em Tritons, they fly like field points. I started out with muzzys 3 blades and they did not fly worth crap out of my bow, always right and low, a local archery shop urged me to try a different broadhead, glad I did because they fly exactly like my field points.

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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2010, 06:54:57 PM »
lots of people swith to the Shuttle T's because they fly well...
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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2010, 06:55:40 PM »
Line up fletchings with broadhead blades!!!!!!

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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2010, 07:04:56 PM »
lots of people swith to the Shuttle T's because they fly well...

Thats what I did!

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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2010, 07:06:47 PM »
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Incrementally different at each step distance. 20 yards about 4-5" 50 yards about 8".

I am using Beaman Cammo Hunter 340's 29 1/2" with 125 gr BHs. Bow is set at 70lbs draw.

Ok, Ill try this again, hope this helps.  

The bow is a bowtech Sniper set at at 68lbs last tested.  It shoots these arrows 257 FPS total weight of the arrows is 498g.

Field points and broadheads are exactly the same weight.  Both G5s and Thunderheads shoot pretty much the same point.  

Elevation is pretty much exact between field points and BHs.

The distance between impact points is incrementally further the greater the distance is from the target and vice versa with closer.  

Sounds like new BHs are in order.  Any other thoughts?

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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2010, 07:30:02 PM »
what is your draw length? if it is longer than about 28" you are underspined. try decreasing draw weight, go to 100 gr tips, or buyt 300's
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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2010, 07:50:07 PM »
what is your draw length? if it is longer than about 28" you are underspined. try decreasing draw weight, go to 100 gr tips, or buyt 300's

Draw length is actually 29".  I went with the heavier arrows and heavier tips to get better energy at impact with obvios better penetration. 

Not real keen on going to a lighter arrow and lesseing the draw weight.  I would prefer to buy a better arrow if necessary. 

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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2010, 08:14:16 PM »
I have to think it is most likely the arrow/spine. I was shooting premium Beman's last fall that converted good (between points and BH's) but this year I decided to try some cheaper arrows from Cabelas, had the T-Locks properly tuned to each arrow and they did the exact same thing as yours. I simply adjusted my sights (although masking the problem as stated earlier) as I am primarily hunting and not shooting FP's through the rest of the season. I will buy high quality arrows again next year, re-paper tune and should be fine.
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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2010, 08:24:42 PM »
try aligning the broadheads to the vanes as mentined here first... Just curious if you have done any bareshaft tuning with that setup.  (NOT WITH BH!)  U
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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2010, 08:29:07 PM »
I am saying keep the same arrow and lessen the draw weight, OR go to a 100 grain point, OR buy 300 spine arrows which are actually stiffer than 340's and also heavier. You have several options.
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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2010, 09:09:44 PM »
I had the same problem when i bought my new bow. almost did not hunt with it. I was shooting a strait fletched blazer vain. what fixed my issue without touching my bow was, I started shooting 100 grain shuttle T's and went to a 4 inch 4 vain fletch with a heilacoil. now my bow shoots exactly the same broadheads and field points.
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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2010, 11:30:48 PM »
Move the arrow rest 1/32" to the left.  It's not uncommon to have to fine tune broadheads, even after a perfect tear through the paper, because of the greater front of center.  I haven't checked recently, but Easton used to have a free pdf download that explained the whole thing.
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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2010, 11:39:56 PM »
Incrementally different at each step distance.  20 yards about 4-5" 50 yards about 8". 

I am using Beaman Cammo Hunter 340's 29 1/2" with 125 gr BHs.  Bow is set at 70lbs draw. 

Just for the hell of it, try a 100gr head just to see if there is any less flex because of pushing a bit less weight.
I lean toward what Big10guage said above. Adjusting your rest just a touch untill both field and hunting heads shoot alike, then adjust your sight to match. Start at 20 yds. Just a touch.
I'm kind of finicky and fiddled with mine untill I got exact results because they didn't shoot exactly the same even with good paper tuning. I'm shooting Beman 340 ICS Hunters w/100gr Thunderheads at 70lbs and they're in there out to 60yds..
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Re: 6" spread between target tips and broadheads at 30 yards?
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2010, 04:01:02 AM »

Just for the hell of it, try a 100gr head just to see if there is any less flex because of pushing a bit less weight.
I lean toward what Big10guage said above. Adjusting your rest just a touch untill both field and hunting heads shoot alike, then adjust your sight to match. Start at 20 yds. Just a touch.
I'm kind of finicky and fiddled with mine untill I got exact results because they didn't shoot exactly the same even with good paper tuning. I'm shooting Beman 340 ICS Hunters w/100gr Thunderheads at 70lbs and they're in there out to 60yds..

Actually, by accident i was shooting 100 gr G5's and was seeing the same thing.  Had me wondering what was up because they where shooting high and left from my field points.  I realized that I had been using my 100gr tips and moved to the 125s.  This got me perfect level but still left.  I tried adjusting the center shot and yes it worked but it also moved my field points-point of impact as well.  Once the site was adjusted I still had the same problem.  I will move the BHs in line with fletchings and see if this makes a difference.  BTW, this arrows do have the 4" helicoil fletchings, this is actually one of the reasons i went with these arrows.  Thanks for the advice guys.  I leave for my hunt in about an hour, for now I have split the difference between the field tips and BHs on the front site. 

 


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