using illumanock in Wa

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

My first bow was a Glenn StCharles "Buckskin" made by Martin.
I still have it, just because of his signature (and it is an unsellable piece of garbage)
Yes, he had Martin make a compound for his store, and sold Martin bows.
However he also reduced his inventory of Compound bows and began selling staves and roughed out bows to try to regain the connection to what he felt was "true Archery"
Although he ran a business, he did not just carry products to make a profit, he honestly cared about Archery.
As far as I remember hearing from him, his concerns were not about equipment becoming too efficient, or increased distance,
but in Archery not being a form of connecting to the equipment and a way of hunting, and in a disassociation from the equipment and Archery being more of a way of just harvesting an animal than a style of hunting.
As far as the shots they took, the animals they lost/wounded, and just plain missed, well that is true.
They also did not wear seatbelts, paint had lead in it, Every pick up truck at the local High School had a firearm in it in the fall, the Internet was not invented, there were no animal rights activists, etc...
 the common perception was to put a heavy arrow with a sharp broadhead into the animal, and let it do its job.
After practicing on targets out to 100 yards, and being able to CONSISTANTLY hit the target, they felt comfortable releasing arrows out to that distance, and considering most hunting arrows ran 800+gr. they had the energy to penetrate.
You are correct to say that  "If those men were alive today and hunted like they did back in the day they would be ridiculed by the people on here who hold them at such high regards. "
but... I hold them in high regards because they were the PIONEERS of the sport, and dealt with adversity you have no way of understanding, and fought to establish seasons and gain acceptance.
They might not have had the same "ethics" as far as to what was acceptable ranges, but then again, it was a different era.
They also had a lot of arrows, and figured losing them was just what happened when you released, had not even considered the possibility of lighting the nock...

[Machias]

So what do you guys think, should we let this thread die a slow death?  We've all stated our opinions pretty well, now we're just going round and round and kind of getting of tangent.  What do you guys think?

[pianoman9701]

So what do you guys think, should we let this thread die a slow death?  We've all stated our opinions pretty well, now wer're just going round and round and kind of getting of tangent.  What do you guys think?

I'm not sure. Have we discussed special privileges to use lighted nocks if you're a minority member? I think we should throw that in there and see what pops out! 

[Machias]

 

[huntnphool]

 In the end we can all agree to disagree and have an understanding, that being that I understand some of you are never going to agree with legalizing lumenoks and you understand that some of us are never going to stop trying!

 For me it's not so much that I want to use them, it's that I want the choice. In the day of increasing regulation by our government, and losing more and more of our daily freedoms I am ALWAYS going to lean on the side of choice, let each man make his own decision.

[Machias]

The sounds of Taps in the background..........

[huntnphool]

The sounds of Taps in the background..........

[Elkrunner]

kill it!

[Snapshot]

 

[rooselk]

Yes, as far as this thread goes I certainly agree that we should siimply agree to disagree (and do so agreeably). But I also think it needs to be understood that for some of us the issue of the issue of allowing electronic equipment on bows and arrows, like crossbows, could prove to be the straw that breaks the camels back. I personally feel that should this be allowed then it will finally be time for traditional bowhunters to look out for their own interests by seeking their own tag and seasons.

[Lowedog]

Yes, as far as this thread goes I certainly agree that we should siimply agree to disagree (and do so agreeably). But I also think it needs to be understood that for some of us the issue of the issue of allowing electronic equipment on bows and arrows, like crossbows, could prove to be the straw that breaks the camels back. I personally feel that should this be allowed then it will finally be time for traditional bowhunters to look out for their own interests by seeking their own tag and seasons.

There you go.  Then you guys can argue on what is truly "traditional".  Where will you draw the line on technology allowed with your "traditional" only seasons?  And then when people start hunting those seasons because they prefer the timing or location of the season will you complain that they aren't doing it for the right reasons?   

[rooselk]

Actually traditional is very easy to define: recurves, longbows, and selfbows. That pretty much covers everything from primitive bows to modern metal riser bows. The only controvery I can foresee is whether or not sights should be allowed.

[Lowedog]

And aluminum or carbon arrows, shoot off the shelf or a rest.  All wood bows or can they have fiberglass and other composites in the limbs...it could go on and on.   

[rooselk]

Actually, if you check out the popular traditional archery forums there is no real controversy about any of the items you mention. Folks have their personal preferences of course. But all those items fit within the broad definition of traditional.

[huntnphool]

Actually, if you check out the popular traditional archery forums there is no real controversy about any of the items you mention. Folks have their personal preferences of course. But all those items fit within the broad definition of traditional.

 LOL, of course they do.