using illumanock in Wa

[kibber]

True. As a bow hunter I think we could be spending or time and energy on more important issue like our seasons being changed, and points system.

[army82abn]

They don't offer any advantage, it's a personal choice and that's the whole point. They allow you as a hunter to recover your arrow, either after a miss or when you have a pass through. I don't like the idea of having someone tell me what I can or can't use. Like I said earlier, I spend good money buying licenses, paying fees, buying equipment, etc. If there's something out there that helps me save money by recovering an arrow then I'm all for it. I don't build my own arrows so I don't have all the bright fletching and so forth. If you want to hunt "primitive" then by all means do so, but don't tell someone else they have to hunt the way you do. I'm not from this state, I'm here because of the military; and this is by far the most restrictive state for hunters I've ever been stationed in.

[Lowedog]

I guess I'm still waiting for someone from the lumenok camp to convince me why they should be allowed when there is NO advantage.  You get the EXACT same thing by using brightly colored fletching.  You recover no more or less animals with or without lumenoks, NONE what-so-ever.

You have already made up your mind.  You have your point of view and that is great.  As far as recovering more or less animals what are you basing that on?  If you have never used them then that is simply an opinion and you have nothing factual to base that statement on.

IMO there is a strong case for them and I think they will be approved.  I posted what someone on another site in my opinion stated some strong points in favor of them and I have yet to read anything that leads me to believe they would be detrimental to archery seasons. 

They have already shorted are season.

Not sure what seasons you are referring to but archery seasons are not alone in being shortened.  All user groups have lost time afield for hunting.  In my opinion equipment isn't even a blip on the radar for reasons as to why we have lost opportunities. 

[sakoshooter]

The pressure created by the string upon release pushes the knock into the shaft ever so slightly which engages the contacts making the battery operated light turn on. Not untill.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

I just had to chime in on this dead horse  
Every argument For/against lumenoc's uses the basis on the effect it has on recovering game/arrow, this has no real bearing on why the law, as stated...

It is unlawful to have any electrical
equipment or electric device(s) attached to
the bow or arrow while hunting.

The law was written because of hunters who fought to prove , first, that a bow was a weapon CAPABLE of harvesting big game.
Those persons responsible for just getting bows legal to hunt with, hunted during modern seasons.
AFTER proving that bows were capable of harvesting big game, they fought for special units, open to Archery only, because they wished to enjoy the solitude of hunting with a bow, w/o the competition of "modern" weapons.
Due to their efforts, Bows were recognised as legitimate "hunting" weapons, and due to increased interest in the sport, special seasons were adopted to allow more widespread use.
THIS WAS ALL DONE BEFORE COMPOUNDS WERE INVENTED.
After seeing advances in technology, they became fearful of losing these special seasons, and decided to lobby for restrictions, to preserve the "primitive" status of the weapon,
IT WAS THE ARCHERY COMMUNITTY, NOT THE GOVERNMENT THAT IMPOSED THESE LAWS/RULES.
Because there is no way to stop technological advancement, bows have gotten morphed into something that is no longer a bow, but an "Arrow Launching Device"

•a weapon for shooting arrows, composed of a curved piece of resilient wood with a taut cord to propel the arrow, : (b) •A bow is a weapon that projects arrows powered by the elasticity of the bow. Essentially, it is a form of spring. As the bow is drawn, energy is stored in the limbs of the bow and transformed into rapid motion when the string is released, with the string transferring this force to the arrow. ...

As I see the argument either for or against lumenocs, everybody ignores the fact, THAT THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM, SPECIFICALLY, THEY ARE JUST "ELECTRONIC"
When (and I dont say if) they do become legal, it will be because of an "exception" written into the law, because there is too much money $$, being spent by hunters getting into the sport because they enjoy the season, and feel that they have to have the fastest, greatest, newest thing out there, not because they love to hunt with a bow, but because they love to hunt, and are motivated by the harvest, and not the experience.
I personally have nothing against Lumenocs, but do hope that when my kids are old enough to hunt, the whole family can go out into the woods with our Traditional Archery Tackle, and not have to wear 400 square, and dodge bullets.

[Machias]

I guess I'm still waiting for someone from the lumenok camp to convince me why they should be allowed when there is NO advantage.  You get the EXACT same thing by using brightly colored fletching.  You recover no more or less animals with or without lumenoks, NONE what-so-ever.

You have already made up your mind.  You have your point of view and that is great.  As far as recovering more or less animals what are you basing that on?  If you have never used them then that is simply an opinion and you have nothing factual to base that statement on.

IMO there is a strong case for them and I think they will be approved.  I posted what someone on another site in my opinion stated some strong points in favor of them and I have yet to read anything that leads me to believe they would be detrimental to archery seasons.  

They have already shorted are season.

Not sure what seasons you are referring to but archery seasons are not alone in being shortened.  All user groups have lost time afield for hunting.  In my opinion equipment isn't even a blip on the radar for reasons as to why we have lost opportunities.  

Lowedog, first off if they are allowed, so be it, I won't lose any sleep over it. I'm basing my so called "factual" thoughts on the fact that in 31 years of bowhunting I can see the path and impact of my arrow just fine already.  And the fact the only time I have ever lost and animal wasn't because I had some star wars technology strapped to the ass end of my arrow, it was because as a kid I shot farther than I should have.  Once I learned some discipline and cut the distance down, I've never lost an animal.  I'm asking you guys that are for this to convince me, how they are THAT much better that animals won't be lost.  Lowedog think of whatever sport you enjoy, whatever it is, is there a line you will not cross or is everything on the table so to speak.  SO no matter what, if someone out there wants it, then it should be allowed, no lines in the sand so to speak.

[Lowedog]

I'm asking you guys that are for this to convince me, how they are THAT much better that animals won't be lost.  Lowedog think of whatever sport you enjoy, whatever it is, is there a line you will not cross or is everything on the table so to speak.  SO no matter what, if someone out there wants it, then it should be allowed, no lines in the sand so to speak.

Again, I have no plans on using lighted nocks if they are legalized.  I don't care to add that much weight to the end of my arrow.  I hunt mostly with a compound but I also once in awhile will hunt with my recurve. 

My only response to your reply is if they offer even just a little bit of a better chance of recovering an arrow and especially one that has struck an animal and thus gives that hunter a better chance of recovering that animal then IMO there is no reason they should not be allowed.  Yes I feel there should be a line we don't cross but that line for me isn't at a nock that lights up after it leaves the string. 

[rasbo]

all this back and forth..I will tell how it looks to me on all sides of hunting...be it with a bow or rifle.Whats gonna make it easier to get an animal..faster arrows longer shots{muzzle loader ranges now with a bow}smoke  poles with scopes,rifle's that shoot a 1000 yards,electronic calls.google earth..Geez,lets just make it easier to do everything and use less skill...dam if you cant see a white nock,then its to dark,or you cant see in my mind...more,more ,more gimme more...from all sides..everyone seems to fall for every gimmick that comes along..all the while the hunt is less important,and the skills are going down the tubes...Damn just look around during a season,how much skill is left out there..My bad I'm ranting,

[Machias]

I'm asking you guys that are for this to convince me, how they are THAT much better that animals won't be lost.  Lowedog think of whatever sport you enjoy, whatever it is, is there a line you will not cross or is everything on the table so to speak.  SO no matter what, if someone out there wants it, then it should be allowed, no lines in the sand so to speak.

Again, I have no plans on using lighted nocks if they are legalized.  I don't care to add that much weight to the end of my arrow.  I hunt mostly with a compound but I also once in awhile will hunt with my recurve. 

My only response to your reply is if they offer even just a little bit of a better chance of recovering an arrow and especially one that has struck an animal and thus gives that hunter a better chance of recovering that animal then IMO there is no reason they should not be allowed.  Yes I feel there should be a line we don't cross but that line for me isn't at a nock that lights up after it leaves the string. 

Same here, won't be using them and for me the line in the sand is no electronics on the bow or the arrows.  P.S.  If our main concern is only recovery and nothing else, then instead of putting some high tech gadgetry on our arrows we should stress more and more to close the distance.  We have to go back to the motto, HOW CLOSE CAN I GET, not HOW FAR CAN I SHOOT.  That single thing will greatly reduce the amount of wounding and missing that is happening in today's archery seasons.  Great debate, thanks guys, Merry Christmas and Happy new year!!

[Lowedog]

I can't agree with you more on your last post Machias as far as closing the distance and using skills.  I actually won't hunt the late mule deer season anymore because of the things I have witnessed in the Swakane. 

[Hyde]

I saw a guy on one of the shows shoot a moose at 68 yards with his bow, the freakin' arrow left the bow like a bullet and had little to no visible arc on it's way to the moose.  We have shows now that promote taking rifle shots at 1000 yards, and scopes with laser rangefinders built in.  Push a button, hold the dot on the animal, shoot.

What advantage does a lighted nock provide?  Who cares.... ?  I say either draw a (technology) line across the entire weapon spectrum, or open it all the way up.  

[Lowedog]

There are always going to be those who push the limits.  Some of the men who pioneered archery only seasons were documented at taking shots with just a stick and string that most compound bow hunters today still wouldn't try. 

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

There are always going to be those who push the limits.  Some of the men who pioneered archery only seasons were documented at taking shots with just a stick and string that most compound bow hunters today still wouldn't try. 

A lot of that had to do with what was referred to as a "York" round, they commonly shot targets at incredible distances, and it was only after more hunters got into archery, and they learned that just because you could hit it, did not mean you killed it,
also you are talking about the days of lead paint, no seatbelts, no bicycle helmets,  kids playing outside until dark, etc. the times have changed, used to be a few hundred archers occasionally killing an animal, now there are thousands.........
shooting a 60-70 pound recurve or longbow at an animal using 700-800gr. arrows, during the "hope and fling" days, by archers who shot 1000's of arrows on a regular basis, is different than today, when a large percentage of guys sight in, and shoot their bows a few weekends a year, maybe go to a 3D or two, and because with their 300fps bow, rangefinder, sights, release, etc.. can expect to hit a 3 inch target at 80+ yards, think nothing of releasing an arrow at an animal, then want to have a lighted nock, because they really have no Idea where there arrow went......

[huntndad]

I personally like that our state has drawn a "line".  There's a lot of cool and useful technology out there for archery, and I'm sure much more is on the way, but we don't need it.  Maybe a lighted nock would help with recovery, but it could also result in more poor shots.  I have to think that some hunters would be more willing to shoot later in the evening or take risky shots in low light with the assumption that they'd be able to see where there arrow hit.    

[Lowedog]

There are always going to be those who push the limits.  Some of the men who pioneered archery only seasons were documented at taking shots with just a stick and string that most compound bow hunters today still wouldn't try. 

A lot of that had to do with what was referred to as a "York" round, they commonly shot targets at incredible distances, and it was only after more hunters got into archery, and they learned that just because you could hit it, did not mean you killed it,
also you are talking about the days of lead paint, no seatbelts, no bicycle helmets,  kids playing outside until dark, etc. the times have changed, used to be a few hundred archers occasionally killing an animal, now there are thousands.........
shooting a 60-70 pound recurve or longbow at an animal using 700-800gr. arrows, during the "hope and fling" days, by archers who shot 1000's of arrows on a regular basis, is different than today, when a large percentage of guys sight in, and shoot their bows a few weekends a year, maybe go to a 3D or two, and because with their 300fps bow, rangefinder, sights, release, etc.. can expect to hit a 3 inch target at 80+ yards, think nothing of releasing an arrow at an animal, then want to have a lighted nock, because they really have no Idea where there arrow went......

Being unethical as an archery hunter is not limited to just compound shooters.  That is a pretty narrow way of thinking.  There is no difference between taking an unethical shot with a "traditional" bow back in the "hope and fling" days than it is today.  It was and still is a poor choice to "hope and fling".