using illumanock in Wa

[Ray]

 

[Machias]

There are the new Zeon Fusion vanes that use fiber optic technology by absorbing light. Thus, negating the need for lighted nocks.

www.norwayindustries.com

Looks like this may END this whole debate.  That's the cat meow!  Everyone can be happy now!!!

[boneaddict]

For you guys that are not in support I would be interested if you had the same take on the issue when it came to range finders being introduced to the sport?

I've never carried one.   I trained myself to get pretty good at determining range.   Might have come in handy ranging that coyote yesterday, but then again, I would have been looking through a range finder instead of my scope as he was about to go over the hill.  Coyotes unlucky day. LOL

[Snapshot]

Regardless of technology, public image and game management will be the biggest hurdles for any hunting sport.

And that is a GREAT point: In all of my experiences of talking to the non-hunting public (fanatic Anti's aside) about hunting they, right down to the ones who got all fidgety to have to say it, respect the difficulty that true archery hunting presents. They respect that hunting with a stick and string gives the animal the advantage. And they recognize that every gadget that has come along that makes it easier (from compounds to range finders to mechanical broadheads and everything in between) gives the hunter an advantage. They think that the person who tests his or her own abilities against the animal and finds success deserves it. And when it comes right down to it, they would support it. But with every short cut that is shown non-stop on outdoors TV we risk losing their respect. And if bowhunting ever ends up on the balllot like baiting bears and hunting with hounds did, we will need their support.

[sisu]

Bone, I'm with ya on range finders. Never owned one, but we invited a "techie" type person along on a varmint shoot two years ago that had one. I got curious about our groups ability to judge distance, so we started pointing and calling out the yardage. I was very impressed with our ability to judge distance. As far as we were concerned no range finder was required.

[Lowedog]

There are the new Zeon Fusion vanes that use fiber optic technology by absorbing light. Thus, negating the need for lighted nocks.

www.norwayindustries.com

Looks like this may END this whole debate.  That's the cat meow!  Everyone can be happy now!!!

Highly doubtful that will end the debate.  I think the wheels are already in motion and there has been enough interest in lighted nocks that we will see them legalized starting in 2012.  

Regardless of technology, public image and game management will be the biggest hurdles for any hunting sport.

And that is a GREAT point: In all of my experiences of talking to the non-hunting public (fanatic Anti's aside) about hunting they, right down to the ones who got all fidgety to have to say it, respect the difficulty that true archery hunting presents. They respect that hunting with a stick and string gives the animal the advantage. And they recognize that every gadget that has come along that makes it easier (from compounds to range finders to mechanical broadheads and everything in between) gives the hunter an advantage. They think that the person who tests his or her own abilities against the animal and finds success deserves it. And when it comes right down to it, they would support it. But with every short cut that is shown non-stop on outdoors TV we risk losing their respect. And if bowhunting ever ends up on the balllot like baiting bears and hunting with hounds did, we will need their support.

I get a real elitist vibe from posts like that.  True Archery?  The equipment one uses does not make the man. 

[boneaddict]

I keep hearing rumors Lowe that its already a done deal for 2012.   I won't be using them, more power to those that do.   I wonder what will be next.   

[Snapshot]

'True' archery... a bow that bends like, for example, Olympians shoot. Nothing elitist from this perennial tag eater, Lowedog; I am near bottom of the heap when it comes to killing game. But I'll stand up for archery hunting until the day I die.

[Ray]

For you guys that are not in support I would be interested if you had the same take on the issue when it came to range finders being introduced to the sport?

I've never carried one.   I trained myself to get pretty good at determining range.   Might have come in handy ranging that coyote yesterday, but then again, I would have been looking through a range finder instead of my scope as he was about to go over the hill.  Coyotes unlucky day. LOL

I learn to live with the mistakes I make in judgement of range. If it means tag soup, then so be it. Some people need every edge they can muster to hunt. I can understand that. I can also be critical of these decisions and it doesn't mean it's an insult or that it is elitist. To broaden the argument to rangefinders only offers insight to the person who responds. Usually to perpetuate or create an environment for attacks on individual character. Not always but often...

At any rate I believe that the WSB is misdirecting energy with this proposal. In short, there will be some objections to such a proposal and when the Game Commission reads or hears these objections then they will see that many archers are more interested in gadgets than seasons. Which is how it also appears to a casual observer who is also an archer. So go and ask for the Game Commission for it and they will probably oblige. I suspect they will be less interested in hearing from archers in the future when they get the impression that one of the most important items on their agenda is a battery powered, lighted nock as opposed to obtaining real opportunities (AKA open GMUs and Special permits).

Right- equipment does not make the man. Decisions make the man.

If the proposal is complete.. then it reflects on the leadership who were the proponents.

[Lowedog]

I won't be using them either Bone...  I have never had much trouble seeing a fluorescent nock and IMO they destroy the FOC that makes an arrow fly so well.

Snapshot,  I will stand up for archery also but I won't divide it.  

[Ray]

Snapshot,  I will stand up for archery also but I won't divide it. 

I think the proponents standing up for this "advancement" have actually divided...

[boneaddict]

I was just discussing with another member about why I hunt.  Part of it is to connect with heritage and history.  To me its not about notching a tag every year though I don't seem to have a problem with that.   I try to play with the smoke pole, I try to hunt with my rifle, hunt with the trad bow and also shoot some sticks with the compound.   I generally laugh when someone tries to call me an elitist.  (not referring to your statement at all Lowe).   but like to think that I am coming at it from an angle to support hunting, support our heritage, keep what we have and gain back what we have lost.   A little flourescent nock is jsut a drop in the bucket.   I too would like to see some drive and focus on worthwhile subjects.   If it comes down to you haveing to have this device in order to be successful, I am sorry. 

[Buckrub]

Respect for others sometimes gets lost in weapon choice and ability.

Hunters have been labled as beer drinking road hunting drunks, regardless of weapon choice and it is up to us the hunters to change that image.

The dept. on the other hand bears some responsibility with this image as they should be our spokesman...sorta like job security.

Start imposing stiffer penalties for image type infractions... littering, shooting from the road, drinking, camp etiquette...poaching... all image infractions should require suspension of privileges..notice I didn't say rights?

Hate to threadjack but the illimunock is so far down the list that it bears little consideration.

[wf70gonehunting]

In short, there will be some objections to such a proposal and when the Game Commission reads or hears these objections then they will see that many archers are more interested in gadgets than seasons.

I have not attended any of the meetings, are you suggesting F&G's stance is that the acceptance of lumenocks would result in shorter archery seasons?

[Ray]

In short, there will be some objections to such a proposal and when the Game Commission reads or hears these objections then they will see that many archers are more interested in gadgets than seasons.

I have not attended any of the meetings, are you suggesting F&G's stance is that the acceptance of lumenocks would result in shorter archery seasons?

No