using illumanock in Wa

[boneaddict]

I killed one elk and four deer with my last arrow before I lost it.   Pretty sure a strobe wouldn't have helped me find it either.   Funny thing is I saw where all 5 of those shots went.

[MtnMuley]

I've never lost an archery animal, nor an arrow.  For that, I am fortunate and greatful.  I keep the individual "harvest" arrows separated.  If I had the opportunity to use a Lumenock in this state, I'd be the first to have one in my quiver.......and yes, I've seen all my entries on animals.

[Houndhunter]

I killed one elk and four deer with my last arrow before I lost it.   Pretty sure a strobe wouldn't have helped me find it either.   Funny thing is I saw where all 5 of those shots went.

try finding one on the west side

i dont have a problem with them and might even use them should they be legal. as far as helping someone take longer shots....... i could see the argument where in low light conditions you could see if your shot was high or low so on the next you'd have a better idea where to aim. kinda like using it as a "range finder", but other than that i really see no reason why they shouldnt be legal. guys who would make un-ethical shots with them, are the same ones making un-ethical shots now

[WildWind1]

Hey, guys

Not everyone finds all the arrows they shoot at animals, and if You do congrats to you.

Where I live, we have pine needles up to 6in thick and grasses that are years old. When hunting from a blind and with the angle of the hills, the arrow could get caught under some of it and if you shoot during the "golden hour" and wait the appropriate time its very hard and sometimes impossible to find your arrow when its a clean pass through. Once you find it though you can then address the hit on the game and how to recover it, not bump it and loose it.This is not a justification just a point.

As for other electronic devises mentioned in this thread, even I draw the line when it comes to lighted sights and things that let you shoot later. There is no need for them, but a lighted noch come on.
Lets be reasonable to each others choices for equipment and responsible to the game WE hunt.

For you traditional guys, I'm throwing stones but if your bow is laminated and and your not using stone broadheads, get off your pedestals...

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Hey, guys

Not everyone finds all the arrows they shoot at animals, and if You do congrats to you.

Where I live, we have pine needles up to 6in thick and grasses that are years old. When hunting from a blind and with the angle of the hills, the arrow could get caught under some of it and if you shoot during the "golden hour" and wait the appropriate time its very hard and sometimes impossible to find your arrow when its a clean pass through. Once you find it though you can then address the hit on the game and how to recover it, not bump it and loose it.This is not a justification just a point.

As for other electronic devises mentioned in this thread, even I draw the line when it comes to lighted sights and things that let you shoot later. There is no need for them, but a lighted noch come on.
Lets be reasonable to each others choices for equipment and responsible to the game WE hunt.

For you traditional guys, I'm throwing stones but if your bow is laminated and and your not using stone broadheads, get off your pedestals...

Well put. I personally don't see a need for a lighted sight pin but as long as their following game laws on shooting times and taking ethical shots I could careless if they have one. It doesn't affect me, anyone else or the herd. I personally think my fiberoptic pins are bright enough that they will outlive the time I think it is ethical to take a shot anyway. Lighted sight pins have been out for years and I don't see a big push for these in any state and I don't think that will change. I know I wouldn't use them...but not because I think it would give me some huge advantage or make me take unethical shots.... I just don't need them. However, if WA bowhunters wanted them.. I would support it. I shot a lighted sight pin at a target once (during lowlight) and it was way too bright to really see the target anyway. I wasn't impressed and if anything it hampered my ability to see my target.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

"Damn Strait it will make guys take longer, and less ethical shots !, I mean why not take the shot when you are not afraid of losing your arrow ?, I don't know about you, but I worry about throwing 20 dollars away almost as much as I do making a good hit ! "

Threre are bad seeds in every aspect of our hunting community.  This kind of comment just reinstates that point.  There are traditional archers out there that have left more arrows in the guts of deer than any modern archery guys I know, and that doesn't change my opinion about the traditional guys.  Back to my "circular" style comments:   ALLOW the hunter to make the decision if he/she would like to use the Lumenock -- and don't assume they are a high-tech modern equipment-style hunter and lump them into that category.  Those of us who shoot stick and string are all archers, and preferences vary

Why differentiate Trad/modern archer ?, as you said, "There are bad seeds in every aspect of our hunting community", I am not "an elitist", I know there are users of all weapons that dont act according to my own standards, I was just relating one persons response to our debate, I accept the fact that archery is going to progress (?) in a direction opposite of my own personal path, and feel regret that a , what I consider spiritual, aspect to the sport  (in my own personal opinion) will be lost.
 when our lives are dominated with cell phones, video games, two way radios, ORVs, etc.. I enjoy leaving that all behind and taking a walk with one of my bows, a few arrows, and some simple basics, like a spare string, a bow stringer, file and knife, pack a lunch and a game bag, some rope, a few calls, and a couple odds and ends in my day pack.
I leave home/camp with a feeling I cannot get anywhere else, but that is why I Trad, you are welcome to use any weapon you wish, and put any attachment on/to your bow you see fit, as I have stated MANY times I have nothing against lumenocs, or "modern Bows" or their users, I just don't choose to use them myself, I take nothing away from you, and expect no less.
My inclusion into this debate has been (mostly) just to explain WHY they are illegal, and the reasoning behind it, the regulation was written due to pressure from the Archery community, not the bureaucrats, or government, but by HUNTERS who feel the way I do.
It was written long before Burt Coyote ever thought of them, and I expect some day that they will be written in as legal, the same as I expect Expadables to be legal, I get entertainment reading all the posts complaining about season length, over-crowding, the WDFW, permits, etc..., when all the reasons to complain is the direct effect of those who do the complaining, the seasons are getting shorter because the weapons are getting more effective, more hunters are getting into archery because the season is longer, and either sex privileges, soon that will be gone, and why ?? because of the ability to shoot further, more accurately, and with less effort, is increasing constantly, and when we complain about how the WDFW screwed us again, it will be because of our own actions, and who will want to admit that ?
When we finally get everything we want, I hope it is not time to use all this equipment hunting, instead of just at the range.
I see nothing wrong with ensuring that future generations have a similar opportunity to spend time in the woods hunting,
It is not the weapon that defines a sportsman, but how he uses it

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

For you traditional guys, I'm throwing stones but if your bow is laminated and and your not using stone broadheads, get off your pedestals...

Traditional is in the eye of the beholder, when the first Archery seasons were established, laminated bows, steel broadheads, even stabilizers were in use....
I call it trad, because I am hunting in the tradition of my father, not "native"
P.S., it is not a pedestal, it is a pinnacle, it took years for me to accomplish the ability to shoot without sights and a release....

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

I just want to re-state, I have nothing against Lumenoc's themselves it is technological advancements that worry me....
That said, I was telling a friend about this discussion, and he replied

"Damn Strait it will make guys take longer, and less ethical shots !, I mean why not take the shot when you are not afraid of losing your arrow ?, I don't know about you, but I worry about throwing 20 dollars away almost as much as I do making a good hit ! "

Those are not my words, but reflect just one reaction to the debate on whether or not we should allow them.

Your friend is an idiot.

I agree, he is, but he is not the only one, read some of the previous posts....

[MtnMuley]

I call it trad, because I am hunting in the tradition of my father, not "native"

Never thought of it that way.  Guess I am a traditional hunter also:  Case of beer, tank of gass, and a few guns.......always came back with dinner........

[WildWind1]

I too love archery and enjoy the sport of it, the tradition of it.

I however cannot hit the broadside of a barn from the inside with a traditional bow. I can go on and on about the reasons for putting down the gun and going to the bow "what a rush" but those of use who truly love the sport of archery already know.

So the compound bow is the way for me and once legalized so are the lighted nock.

[Lowedog]

Since advancement of technology and how it is thought to be a big factor for lost opportunities is being used so much as an argument in this debate I was wondering what the perspective of those who feel that way are on this...why do you think those who had nothing but stick bows back in the day started using compounds when they became available? 

[Ray]

The premise of the lumenock seems to be that archery is somehow broken without them. That the archer cannot completely fulfill his role in the field unless they are at his or her disposal....

[Lowedog]

The premise of the lumenock seems to be that archery is somehow broken without them. That the archer cannot completely fulfill his role in the field unless they are at his or her disposal....

Why would you say that?  I don't recall reading one post that remotely implied that.

[Ray]

You don't have to read one. It's definitely how it looks to some observers. That was why I said "Seems to be".

[DBHAWTHORNE]

The premise of the lumenock seems to be that archery is somehow broken without them. That the archer cannot completely fulfill his role in the field unless they are at his or her disposal....

I don't see it that way. To me the premise of the lumenock is that it will help you find/see your arrow. I think that is a fact. It's not that the archer can't fulfill his role but I have found that finding my arrow provides valuable information to base decisions upon when it comes to tracking.

To me saying the premise of a lumenock is that archery is somehow broken without them is like saying the same thing about any other advancement in archery. Even Trad archery is full of advancements relatively speaking throughout it's history.

I have never had a problem seeing my arrow hit the animal but I have had problems finding my arrow on occasion. I am not sure if a lumenock would have helped but I am positive having it wouldn't hurt.

I am interested how many people who are against lumenocks have even shot an arrow with a lumenock on it.