using illumanock in Wa

[d_wilson]

How is the use of luminocks any different than illuminated reticles on scopes?

[Machias]

Well unless you throw your scope at the animal pretty much completely different.   

[MtnMuley]

Well unless you throw your scope at the animal pretty much completely different.   

[d_wilson]

The argument that luminocks will cause people to take risky shots could be made for illuminated reticles as well

[MtnMuley]

They are ILLEGAL, just as lighted sights for your bow, d wilson.

[JimmyHoffa]

Illuminated reticles aid in making the shot.  It is used prior to time of fire.  Illuminated knocks don't aid in making a shot.  They aid in watching the shot...after time of fire.  A fair comparison would be phosphorus tracer rounds for a firearm.  Or compare the illuminated reticle to illuminated sight pins.
Would anybody be concerned about illuminated anything on an arrow spooking a deer?  I've seen deer drop to their knees in a split second to allow an arrow to pass above them as well as jump to allow it to pass under them.  These weren't deer alarmed to a hunter, they saw/heard the arrow.  The buck that jumped chased the arrow and jumped on it and literally attacked it with his hooves.  I would think it would cause them to spook a bit sooner.......but I guess there a plenty of net videos that show otherwise.

[JimmyHoffa]

They are ILLEGAL, just as lighted sights for your bow, d wilson.

Clarify.  Illuminated reticles on scopes are legal.  Just can't use IR night viz or lasers (or anything that projects light onto an animal--except IR lasers) for big game.

[Lowedog]

  If your against allowing electronics into archery your just an elitist.  Does that pretty much sum it up?

No, being against allowing electronics into archery doesn't make someone an elitist.  Comments such as "training wheels", "true archery", "those who chose to use modern equipment can't possibly be hunting for the same reasons I do", makes someone come across as an elitist.  Those are just a few off the top my head and the last one may not be word for word but you get the idea. 

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Proponents for electronics in archery gear--we contend it doesn't help you harvest any more animals then you normally would. It has no bearing on my hunting skills so no it doesn't allow me to take "more" animals"   We contend it won't make ethical hunters shoot farther or take chances. No, a light on a nock won't make an ethical hunter suddenly become unethical We contend unethical guys are already taking unethical shots so that won't actually increase either This is hard to prove either way but I doubt it would increase unethical shots. If the unethical guy gets an opportunity he is going to take the shot whether or not he has a lighted nock or not.  We realize rifle hunters and muzzleloaders have no way to "see" where they're shots hit and they have to use old fashion woodsmanship to decide whether to follow up or not. I guess we should never look at our arrow for blood since rifle/muzzy guys don't have that advantage...and from what you write I assume that assessing the sign on your arrow requires zero woodsmanship  They have to judge the animals reaction at the shot, look for hair, blood and tracks to determine the next course of action, whether to follow up or wait.  We realize that what we are asking for actually is already available by using bright colored fletching, cresting and nocks If it is already available and no more effective than bright fletchings then why contest it?? If it is just effective to use bright fletchings/crestings/knocks then maybe we should outlaw those too (after all you say this illumenock is a danger to bowhunting) Obviously a lighted nock will be more visible.  But it looks cool flying through the air, looks cool on video and we really want it.  We don't see any danger to bowhunting if this is allowed, Explain the danger again please because I must have missed it? actually we already know it will be allowed, we've been told it's already approved.  If your against allowing electronics into archery your just an elitist "If you are denying others a right or privilege simply because it doesn't constitute your own idea of what constitutes a spirtual experience/archery heritage or bowhunting then you are an elitist. It should be left to the "individual" to determine what makes them happy as long as it doesn't violate your rights or harm the herd" .  Does that pretty much sum it up? Yep

[rasbo]

nobody is gonna sway the other in this debate.Cant help but wonder if some of the opinions might be from an I'm gonna make some money selling them here view... Maybe come up with some mini spot devices placed inside the arrow, to locate these arrows that are being lost all the time...I can see why arrows are harder to find with 50 to 100 yd shots and the speed of the arrows.It still boils down to me, in my little world that its just another,its to hard lets make it easier for me...Is the light so bright you can see it under 6 inches of pine needles?why not bring along a metal detector..

[Buckrub]

Let me try to end this...?? maybe 

SOME hunters have been taking questionable shots since the inception of archery hunting... If we regressed back to a longbow only there would STILL be some hunters who would take a risky shot.

Technology is here to stay ... we must embrace it and further educate hunters... I personally believe voluntary ethics classes would do more for our sport than debating lighted nocks.

Our sport will survive but will be judged by non hunters based on image....

[Machias]

Proponents for electronics in archery gear--we contend it doesn't help you harvest any more animals then you normally would. It has no bearing on my hunting skills so no it doesn't allow me to take "more" animals"   We contend it won't make ethical hunters shoot farther or take chances. No, a light on a nock won't make an ethical hunter suddenly become unethical We contend unethical guys are already taking unethical shots so that won't actually increase either This is hard to prove either way but I doubt it would increase unethical shots. If the unethical guy gets an opportunity he is going to take the shot whether or not he has a lighted nock or not.  We realize rifle hunters and muzzleloaders have no way to "see" where they're shots hit and they have to use old fashion woodsmanship to decide whether to follow up or not. I guess we should never look at our arrow for blood since rifle/muzzy guys don't have that advantage...and from what you write I assume that assessing the sign on your arrow requires zero woodsmanship  They have to judge the animals reaction at the shot, look for hair, blood and tracks to determine the next course of action, whether to follow up or wait.  We realize that what we are asking for actually is already available by using bright colored fletching, cresting and nocks If it is already available and no more effective than bright fletchings then why contest it?? If it is just effective to use bright fletchings/crestings/knocks then maybe we should outlaw those too (after all you say this illumenock is a danger to bowhunting) Obviously a lighted nock will be more visible.  But it looks cool flying through the air, looks cool on video and we really want it.  We don't see any danger to bowhunting if this is allowed, Explain the danger again please because I must have missed it? actually we already know it will be allowed, we've been told it's already approved.  If your against allowing electronics into archery your just an elitist "If you are denying others a right or privilege simply because it doesn't constitute your own idea of what constitutes a spirtual experience/archery heritage or bowhunting then you are an elitist. It should be left to the "individual" to determine what makes them happy as long as it doesn't violate your rights or harm the herd" .  Does that pretty much sum it up? Yep

Thanks, I just wanted to make sure I understood where you were coming from.  

[DBHAWTHORNE]

nobody is gonna sway the other in this debate.Cant help but wonder if some of the opinions might be from an I'm gonna make some money selling them here view... Maybe come up with some mini spot devices placed inside the arrow, to locate these arrows that are being lost all the time...I can see why arrows are harder to find with 50 to 100 yd shots and the speed of the arrows.It still boils down to me, in my little world that its just another,its to hard lets make it easier for me...Is the light so bright you can see it under 6 inches of pine needles?why not bring along a metal detector..

I don't know that anyone on here is going to make money selling them but is that such a bad thing???..that someone makes a little money in the outdoor industry? In a crappy economy??  

I have never shot at an animal past 35 yards but I have on rare occasion had trouble finding my arrow. I am not sure if a lighted nock would have helped but as I said before it probably wouldn't hurt. I doubt I would use them but I am still pro lighted nock if that is what user groups want. I can't see the harm/danger in them and really only see a possible positive in them. I use bright knocks/fletchings also and I have had no issue seeing my arrow hit the animal.

As far as "it's hard, lets make it easier" I don't think that is what anyone "pro" lumenock is saying. However, if it's "easier" it will bring more people into archery. While there are some negatives to more archers (hunting pressure during archery season) I think overall the positives for making archery easier outweigh the negatives by far. If there was ever a point where the compound bow is no longer a short range weapon (don't think it will happen) then it would no longer need a special archery season (look at the bright side if it did happen..we could give Trad guys their own season that they want and lump the other guys in with general).
 If pro-lighted nock arguments boil down to "it's hard lets make it easier" then self-limited guys are making it sound like "it's hard, lets make it easier" when they want things like special seasons....and I don't think that is the case at all.I really don't see the problem with making archery "easier" in the first place if it will bring people into archery. I really can't think of a current device in existence that would make archery "easy" enough to increase harvest numbers by any great amount.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

  If your against allowing electronics into archery your just an elitist.  Does that pretty much sum it up?

No, being against allowing electronics into archery doesn't make someone an elitist.  Comments such as "training wheels", "true archery", "those who chose to use modern equipment can't possibly be hunting for the same reasons I do", makes someone come across as an elitist.  Those are just a few off the top my head and the last one may not be word for word but you get the idea. 

Well, you obviously are referring to me, and I will say, maybe I am an "elitist", if that is what you consider one, but referring to "Training Wheels" on a compound is a common joke, referring to the cams on the end of the limbs, they are put there for the sole purpose of making holding the bow back easier, and increasing speed, making accuracy easier.
Calling Traditional Archery "True Archery" (although I don't think this was my statement), is or would be referring the difference of shooting an arrow using a bow that is simple in design and function, at least that is what I would mean if I said that.
Now to address my statement, "those who chose to use modern equipment can't possibly be hunting for the same reasons I do", I hunt with Traditional equipment because I like to, I enjoy walking around with a nice piece of wood in my hand, and shooting stumps, the occasional rabbit, grouse or whatever, I enjoy seeing how close I can get to Deer and Elk (still working on Bear), and a successful day is any day I can get out and enjoy the woods.
It is my opinion that when you spend money to buy a bow, that is in actuality a machine to launch arrows, has all the attachments to make that more efficient and easier, and hunt with that weapon, then you (probably) are more concerned with harvesting an animal, than just enjoying the day afield.
I have been in camps where I have listened to hunters talk about their day, and the majority of the conversation is about seeing game, but unless we are packing, or looking at the animal on the meat-pole, it is about missed opportunity, or shots they could have made, or if they did not see any Elk or Deer (legal) it is complaining about lack of game.
I tell them about the baby bobcats I saw, or the Badger, the fun I had messing around with a squirrel, some cool item I found, empty my pockets of cool rocks, mushrooms, whatever.....
As the season progresses, if there is no meat hanging yet, the talk turns to going home, where are you hunting late season, next year, duck season, fishing, work, everything but, what a good time we are all having.
I look forward to every sunrise, and when the sunsets, long for a few extra minutes, not because I hope for a shot, but because I hate to see my day end, I do not care what type of weapon you use, but in my opinion, if you are more concerned with the stuff you can put on your bow/arrows or carry in your pocket, then you are not hunting for the same reasons I am........

[Lowedog]

It is my opinion that when you spend money to buy a bow, that is in actuality a machine to launch arrows, has all the attachments to make that more efficient and easier, and hunt with that weapon, then you (probably) are more concerned with harvesting an animal, than just enjoying the day afield.


 I do not care what type of weapon you use, but in my opinion, if you are more concerned with the stuff you can put on your bow/arrows or carry in your pocket, then you are not hunting for the same reasons I am........

Assuming that what type of "stuff" someone puts on their bow/arrows or carries in their pockets or what type of bow they spend their money on means that they are more concerned with the the harvest or the "stuff" than the hunt itself is what comes across to me as an elitist attitude.