Tradition only unit

[Lowedog]

I would have to agree about the Master Hunters...we regular hunters have lost some really good hunts to the Master Hunters.   

[DBHAWTHORNE]

i am a stickbow guy and have shot them all my life. i have actually been building them for about 10-12 years. having said that, i think dividing the bow season further will only further reduce the amount of total archery season available. i think a "Trad" only season is a bad idea. the only thing we do as SINGLE STRING bowhunters is challenge ourselves to get a little closer. having said that, i have busted my arse in the last few years to get consistently accurate on game out to 40 yards and regularly practice out to 80 yards for "form" work. so really, what is the difference between me and a guy that shoots a compound? we stickbow guys are not superior in any way shape or form and do not deserve anything extra...... doing so only creates less time for archery season and animosity between bowhunters.

look at what we have now..... we have lost a total of 13-14 days between early and late season because of youth seasons and extended muzzle loader seasons. personally, i think the youth seasons are a joke. a child and their parents can bond just as well in an open season as they can in a youth season. infact, i think that it makes the kids feel like they are being given even more responsibility and more of a "right of passage" when they are sharing camp and standing shoulder to shoulder with with other adult hunters with loaded weapons...... not adults that are just there to take the "kids" out.... and how many parents take the kids on hunts that are actually camps anyway during the youth season. it typically means finding a place they can quickly take a kid out and get a kill under their belt.

the muzzleloader season is another one i don't agree with...... today's guns are scary accurate out to 300+ with some out to 500. what is different about one of those with a speed loader and any single shot rifle such as the encores, new england arms, ruger #1s ect? i'd probably have a different opinion if round balls or solid lead bullets without sabots were mandatory and the in-lines were not allowed.  all the muzzle loader season did was infringe on both the total rifle season and archery season days allowed when infact the modern inlines, powders and projectiles that are currently allowed really are not much of a "handicap" next to a typical deer rifle. the bridge between the max effective distance of a compound hunter and a single string hunter is MUCH closer.....

who says you can't mount a sight on a traditional bow? before traditional bows became "traditional bows", many many bowhunters used sights on them. FITA and OLYMPIC archers still do and are scary accurate out to 90 meters. take the sight off a compound and how much further do you think a guy could shoot than the same guy shooting a longbow barebow?

the point i am trying to make about muzzleloaders is that they are a firearm... just a different type with just a slight disadvantage to the modern cartridge guns..... but..... they did get a separate season. so since muzzleloaders have a different season (that is a fraction of the length) than the modern gun hunters, should the "trad only" season be separate from the general archery as well as being a fraction of the length?.... it would be only fair considering the current state of affairs. i'd happily pick up the compound if it meant i could only hunt 10 days a year in a "traditional only" season.

today's muzzle loaders are singe shot rifles and bowhunters are bowhunters....... if we could go back to the two general seasons, EVERYONE would have more time in the field....... period.

 GJ.. I have a lot of respect for your views... rare amongst Trad archers that I have personally met. The arrogant attitude of most Trad archers I meet is the only thing that has kept me from joining (or attempting join) your ranks.

[krout81]

I think we are off point.  If they change some unit that is not open right now and have it be traditional only during the normal season then its a great idea right?  No special license just weapon restrictions in the unit.  Even find a unit that is open already and restrict it or part of it..  Special seasons no, unless they need a reason to have more deer, and elk taken out of a unit then give some guys a second chance with traditional gear by giving out a permit.      

[xXx Archery]

The unit in Oregon is a permit hunt. Just with traditional equipment. It is a working example.... I don't know why people say it will not work when it already does.

Ray is it really working last time i was in that unit..there was 3 Trad hunters? so I guess its working for 3 of them. the BIG ? is WHY. why cant the Comp. hunters hunt with you? is there bow so loud it scares your game? is it your getting ready to shoot a Deer at 20 yards and some guy shoots it first at 50?...I just don't see WHY...and Why would it not be fair for Trad. to have there own units but Comp cant?..I feel its Archery season and WE ALL are Archers..

[Ray]

The unit in Oregon is a permit hunt. Just with traditional equipment. It is a working example.... I don't know why people say it will not work when it already does.

Ray is it really working last time i was in that unit..there was 3 Trad hunters? so I guess its working for 3 of them. the BIG ? is WHY. why cant the Comp. hunters hunt with you? is there bow so loud it scares your game? is it your getting ready to shoot a Deer at 20 yards and some guy shoots it first at 50?...I just don't see WHY...and Why would it not be fair for Trad. to have there own units but Comp cant?..I feel its Archery season and WE ALL are Archers..

Corey when you said is there a bow so loud to scare the game I decided your questions were not worth answering. You've played your shenanigans on the topic as well with the comments regarding women. I tried to ignore it but you're just acting like an instigator. If you wanted to be an ass, you succeeded.


As far as archery all being together and then why do you guys need lights on the arrows? I think it's time we put the traditional season on the map. I'm all for the division if you want to call it that. Although it is non existant and a complete fabrication and rush to bolster emotional opposition against it. The fact is, I didn't feel this way a few years ago. After more thought I have concluded it is a good idea. If that is too much for you to swallow without throwing stupid remarks in, then just don't bother replying.

[Tony 270]

One thing I'm not getting is that some want traditional only for greater opportunity. Opportunity for what? Is that for more season time? You already have the entire archery season. Early and late even. Do you want more time still? Or do you want areas with low pressure that haven't had the other archers around? Why not just go to a more remote area if you want less pressure? In the five years I've gone archery, Oregon and Washington, I've come across a total of less than 10 other hunters. I'm not seeing pressure, but maybe that's because I don't hunt where the big crowds are.

Not seeing what exactly it is you want and why. What would the real benefit be, and why can't you get that same benefit by changing your hunting habits or location?

[Ray]

There could be a lot of reasons to justify having a traditional unit or season. I can tell you this, there are a lot more than 10 bowhunters in a lot of areas I have hunted. Some areas I have seen a dozen in a day. Sure I can walk in farther - like 10 miles - but can I carry an elk out on my back that far? Probably, but in early season it might be too damn hot and could cause the meat to spoil. I'd personally prefer lower pressure hunting. I believe that there are other benefits to the idea as well. The fact is the trad unit in Oregon does work. I would also state that having a handful of trad hunters in a unit is low impact and also a success. Corey talked about it in a negative light but almost every remark he said about it is exactly why it would be appealing and he even stated it was low impact.

[Lowedog]

One thing I'm not getting is that some want traditional only for greater opportunity. Opportunity for what? Is that for more season time? You already have the entire archery season. Early and late even. Do you want more time still? Or do you want areas with low pressure that haven't had the other archers around? Why not just go to a more remote area if you want less pressure? In the five years I've gone archery, Oregon and Washington, I've come across a total of less than 10 other hunters. I'm not seeing pressure, but maybe that's because I don't hunt where the big crowds are.

Not seeing what exactly it is you want and why. What would the real benefit be, and why can't you get that same benefit by changing your hunting habits or location?

That is the part of it I don't get.  Most of the state is open for early archery deer for almost the entire month of Sept.  How much more opportunity does a person need?  I rarely see other archery hunters out for deer in Sept.  There are plenty of opportunities for elk also that if a person did their homework they can have a quality hunting experience with very little hunting pressure from other archers. 

There is also a lot of archery only permits that offer incredible hunting opportunities if drawn. 

[xXx Archery]

The unit in Oregon is a permit hunt. Just with traditional equipment. It is a working example.... I don't know why people say it will not work when it already does.

Ray is it really working last time i was in that unit..there was 3 Trad hunters? so I guess its working for 3 of them. the BIG ? is WHY. why cant the Comp. hunters hunt with you? is there bow so loud it scares your game? is it your getting ready to shoot a Deer at 20 yards and some guy shoots it first at 50?...I just don't see WHY...and Why would it not be fair for Trad. to have there own units but Comp cant?..I feel its Archery season and WE ALL are Archers..

Corey when you said is there a bow so loud to scare the game I decided your questions were not worth answering. You've played your shenanigans on the topic as well with the comments regarding women. I tried to ignore it but you're just acting like an instigator. If you wanted to be an ass, you succeeded.


As far as archery all being together and then why do you guys need lights on the arrows? I think it's time we put the traditional season on the map. I'm all for the division if you want to call it that. Although it is non existant and a complete fabrication and rush to bolster emotional opposition against it. The fact is, I didn't feel this way a few years ago. After more thought I have concluded it is a good idea. If that is too much for you to swallow without throwing stupid remarks in, then just don't bother replying.

Ray...I'm not trying to be a ass....I DO NOT see any reason for it. I asked you WHY cant you hunt with US? WE are ALL archers...As for your reasons you cant hunt with us that's is the STUPID remarks...and I would like like to hear them from you...WHY cant you hunt with US? ....what does Lighted Nocks have to do with us all being Archers? If I don't want to use them does not mean I'm not a archer?...that's like saying only guys that use XX75's are archers. its called choice....and I'm happy we have them...
Cory

[Ray]

Cory, I never said you were'nt archers when you choose electronics on your bow. Why you keep repeating a false statement as if it came from my mouth is beyond me. It IS in short, stupid AND false. In fact at least two of your comments on this very topic are like that. Try sticking to what is factual if you are going to rebut me personally. Otherwise it is just stupid. Your repetitive use of all archers is irrelevant. However comparing this idea to lighted nocks is relevant. It is a simple exception requested by the user group. To throw in assinine statements about strings being too loud is just insulting. You know it as well as I do. So stop with the "all archers" because that is not the point of this discussion. Otherwise I'll begin removing those assinine remarks. Just like last time you told snapshot he was the cancer of archery. It's a repetitive issue with you so far as I can tell.

[Ray]

One thing I'm not getting is that some want traditional only for greater opportunity. Opportunity for what? Is that for more season time? You already have the entire archery season. Early and late even. Do you want more time still? Or do you want areas with low pressure that haven't had the other archers around? Why not just go to a more remote area if you want less pressure? In the five years I've gone archery, Oregon and Washington, I've come across a total of less than 10 other hunters. I'm not seeing pressure, but maybe that's because I don't hunt where the big crowds are.

Not seeing what exactly it is you want and why. What would the real benefit be, and why can't you get that same benefit by changing your hunting habits or location?

That is the part of it I don't get.  Most of the state is open for early archery deer for almost the entire month of Sept.  How much more opportunity does a person need?  I rarely see other archery hunters out for deer in Sept.  There are plenty of opportunities for elk also that if a person did their homework they can have a quality hunting experience with very little hunting pressure from other archers. 

There is also a lot of archery only permits that offer incredible hunting opportunities if drawn. 

I guess we can agree to disagree. But the idea is not that far fetched, it isn't a long shot either.

[huntnnw]

the hardest part with archery is the drawing on the game, dont matter what your shooting a wooden or todays newest, you still have to draw your bow. This idea is right around the logic of a no treestand season

[hughjorgan]

I wouldn't have a problem supporting a traditional unit as long as it doesn't affect the season length that we already have at the moment. That goes for lumenoks too. If any of these changes affected how long we get in the field I think we could do without. We have already lost a lot in the last season setting process.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I can see why Trad hutners "want" a Trad only unit but I can't see the "need" for it. For this reason I can't support. If there is a true need then I can get behind it. Most hardcore Trad guys I know can shoot more accurately than 99% of us compound hunters. I don't think hunters in this state need to be split up more so than we already are and I think Trad guys can afford it the least because there are less of them. We need to unite as hunters and not seperate ourselves based on what gear or hunting methods we use.

Now I would be more supportive if the state took some state land within a unit/units and made it Trad only.

[JimmyHoffa]

What if instead of a unit or season they had a traditional only permit?  Adjust the days to extend the permit timeframe due to the reduction in technology. If say a current archery permit were 20 days, then maybe the traditional equivalent for sacrificing technology would be 30 days.  Eventhough, from my experience, the guys with the least amount of technology typically need the least amount of time.