Tradition only unit

[Ray]

I'd actually prefer a primitive tag or even better, a primitive license for all game animals.

[Lowedog]

I'd actually prefer a primitive tag or even better, a primitive license for all game animals.

I don't see that happening.  I honestly don't even see primitive weapon hunts happening. 

[jstone]

I don't now, lots of good points on here. Need to do some study on other states if it works or not. This state needs some help. I now this isn't it but you all say we need to stick together but people cant even agree that the clockum needs to have roads closed, dug up and planted to help the herd.

[Ray]

I'd actually prefer a primitive tag or even better, a primitive license for all game animals.

I don't see that happening.  I honestly don't even see primitive weapon hunts happening. 

They already happen in other states. So it's not unimagineable.

[popeshawnpaul]

Because in this state we are already divided and on our way to being conquered, IMHO.  Most states out there do not have choose your weapon restrictions so you don't get the petty in fighting like we do here.  Eventually once you break it down into smaller and smaller groups then the little groups have NO political voice and end up getting whatever the other user groups hand out to them.  It's already happening to bowhunters.  We may disagree on restrictions of certain equipment, but I will stand and fight with those guys for our season.  We can't afford to be subdivided anymore than we already are.   

 

The WDFW doesn't want to divide user groups.  It's already a complicated allocation process as it is.  Do you make master hunters a user group?  Magnum vs standard cartridge user groups?  Scopes vs iron sites?  Advanced muzzleloaders vs ball and patch guys?  WDFW wants 3 simple groups.  Groups like the TBW, WSAA, and WSB are already working hard to keep and give you as much season as possible in the face of staunch opposition.  Groups like this have fought hard for decades to get and keep archery seasons for all of us archers.  The leaders of these groups have put together a coalition to stand together on bowhunting issues that are important to us.  As much as we want to quibble about minor equipment issues the other user groups can't wait to divide up the bowhunters and take our allocation.  They don't hide that fact either...

[remington300mag]

This year in the Chelan county area for mule deer the general seasons were divided out like this.....

Muzzle loader......9 days
Modern Rifle......9 days
Archery......33 days

I would say the archery guys could give up a few of their days so that there could be a traditional season..... Wouldn't want to be greedy now.....would we?!?!

[Ray]

Because in this state we are already divided and on our way to being conquered, IMHO.  Most states out there do not have choose your weapon restrictions so you don't get the petty in fighting like we do here.  Eventually once you break it down into smaller and smaller groups then the little groups have NO political voice and end up getting whatever the other user groups hand out to them.  It's already happening to bowhunters.  We may disagree on restrictions of certain equipment, but I will stand and fight with those guys for our season.  We can't afford to be subdivided anymore than we already are.   

   

The WDFW doesn't want to divide user groups.  It's already a complicated allocation process as it is.  Do you make master hunters a user group?  Magnum vs standard cartridge user groups?  Scopes vs iron sites?  Advanced muzzleloaders vs ball and patch guys?  WDFW wants 3 simple groups.  Groups like the TBW, WSAA, and WSB are already working hard to keep and give you as much season as possible in the face of staunch opposition.  Groups like this have fought hard for decades to get and keep archery seasons for all of us archers.  The leaders of these groups have put together a coalition to stand together on bowhunting issues that are important to us.  As much as we want to quibble about minor equipment issues the other user groups can't wait to divide up the bowhunters and take our allocation.  They don't hide that fact either...

Are you preaching division among archers?  I see you personally promoting lumenocks as OK but if someone promotes traditional only areas then it's a bad idea because it is a division. Seems like there's room for division if it fits your personal agenda. But don't call it division. Just call it practical I guess. The real fact is there are existing and working traditional only hunts in the Pacific Northwest which do not divide user groups. Why? Because the target user base is so small that their impact is miniscule. Therefore the hoopla that it is divisional is really just that.

The master hunters already consider themselves a user group and the WDFW already does as well. Having a unit or two open for traditional archers is simply not a division as so suggested. In fact some of the original archery seasons in the state of Washington were bowhunting only areas like Nason Creek. It's not even a concept which is completely alien to Washington. The WDFW is all about money. If they can get extra money from something like this then it has a higher likelihood of passing.

As far as WSB, TBW and WSAA working in unison... I'm not so sure on that. I've been hearing otherwise among my friends and comrades. I respect most of the work done there but that doesn't mean they work in unison on the most critical issues. Just an observation from the peanut gallery that was pointed out to me by several people.

[Lowedog]

This year in the Chelan county area for mule deer the general seasons were divided out like this.....

Muzzle loader......9 days
Modern Rifle......9 days
Archery......33 days

I would say the archery guys could give up a few of their days so that there could be a traditional season..... Wouldn't want to be greedy now.....would we?!?!

Both modern and traditional archery hunters have 33 days right now.  If we were to divide that up we all lose.  

[Ray]

The only way something like this passes is if it's a small segment of the state open to traditional hunting. Something like 2-3 units with an extra 5-12 days extra hunting opportunity. That means, not the entire state and specifically NOT dividing the entire season of archery into two segments. All my opinion...

[xXx Archery]

If they open 2-3 units to Traditional only, then no traditional  hunters can hunt the other units open to Archery...would that be Ok with you guys? and how about 2-3 units for women hunters to?

[Ray]

No. I think that the other units can be open. On the women - women shoot trad bows. Pick one up.

[Lowedog]

So those units are open to all archery tag holders but just with traditional equipment? 

[Ray]

The unit in Oregon is a permit hunt. Just with traditional equipment. It is a working example.... I don't know why people say it will not work when it already does.

[popeshawnpaul]

This year in the Chelan county area for mule deer the general seasons were divided out like this.....

Muzzle loader......9 days
Modern Rifle......9 days
Archery......33 days

I would say the archery guys could give up a few of their days so that there could be a traditional season..... Wouldn't want to be greedy now.....would we?!?!

It takes longer for archers to fill their quota.  If they all had the same amount of days rifle would kill 95% of the animals.  It's about allocation, not length of season.

The master hunters already consider themselves a user group and the WDFW already does as well.

As far as WSB, TBW and WSAA working in unison... I'm not so sure on that. I've been hearing otherwise among my friends and comrades. I respect most of the work done there but that doesn't mean they work in unison on the most critical issues. Just an observation from the peanut gallery that was pointed out to me by several people.

Master hunters are not a user group and they have said they don't want to be.  At the last WDFW meeting this was discussed.  Additionally, the WDFW only considers there to be 3 user groups...archery, modern firearm, and muzzleloader.  I'll provide the last meeting minutes if you need.

I thank and respect all the hard work the archery coalition has done to help protect our sport.  They have worked in unison on all the critical issues for years.  

[Ray]

Master Hunters is really off topic but they can say they don't want to be a user group and even that they are not. My old test is... if it smells like a duck, it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.... It's probably a duck.