Fuel Fix Question?

[Coasthunterjay]

So everyone knows that gas prices are sky rocketing, and we also all know that this isnt going to go down any time soon. So we all are trying different things, and doing different things to get better gas mileage almost to the point of selling vehicles....Which i have recently done.....because gas is expensive!

To my question.........?

So if there was something that you could put in your gas tank, add to your oil, add to your transmission fluid (some kind of chemical) that would improve your gas mileage and help your vehicle run better, That lessons emissions, EPA certified and save you lots of money, but was initially kind of pricey would you be willing to try it or even continue using it?

Im not talking if it might, im talking if it does 100% do as i say, would you try or use it...?

[KillBilly]

Point me to it.

[Head-shot]

I think another guy on here had some info about something like this.

I've been looking at it and studying the pro vs. cons about it. It looks like a pretty good thin but I wonder how long before the oil companies try to wipe it out.

Here are a few of the many sites that talk about this technology


http://www.watertogas.com/

http://www.driveonwater.com/

http://www.driveonwater.com/

http://convertwatertogas.com/Run-Your-Car-On-Water.php?bid_keyword=drive%20water&gclid=CIDOnuP1gpMCFSouagodeT-yew

http://www.drivewater.com/?hop=johnaxe&gclid=CLjwv__1gpMCFRa8iQodqnJswg


Is this what your talking about Jay?
Hope this helps

[ICEMAN]

Beware. I have read that this DriveWater is a huge scam. Too good to be true technology.....

Save your money IMHO.

[Coasthunterjay]

well my friend put me onto a new company that is going to start airriing live on the indy 500 in late may, and i think this stuff is the real deal.....i got some from the company and i am seeing positive results....

No head-shot those arent it, and i have heard the same scam thing about those names, so i am not ill advised to trying it.

I am talking about a company that has started in california due to all of the emissions problems they have, and found out that one product will work in every fluid that is a lubricating or fuel fluid in your vehicle.

This is why i am not mentioning a name about it yet, because i am not sure.....but so far it took my jeep grand cherokee and increased the gas mileage by about 75 miles to a tank.....but it is in the cleaning process still so i still have to wait and see what it does in the next few tanks.......

If you are sincerely interested and want t know more, the company wants me to be a distributor of this stuff, i am still not sure but if you are interested in what this product can do PM me and i will send you some more info....

[huntingnut]

Do they state anything about not voiding a warranty? I just traded my truck in on an Outback because of gas prices. That doubled my mileage, but always considering anything to get more.

[Coasthunterjay]

Do they state anything about not voiding a warranty? I just traded my truck in on an Outback because of gas prices. That doubled my mileage, but always considering anything to get more.

NO IT WILL NOT VOID YOUR WARRENTY......!and all that PM me will be notified as soon as i finish my test...

they are also claiming that this stuff will also completely replace 2 cycle oil.......1 ounce of product per 5 gallons of use in 2 cycle engines.....1 ounce of product per 10 gallons of fuel in your vehicle.

this product comes in 16ounce(29.95) so treat 160 gallons of fuel, 32 ounce(49.95) treats 320 gallons of fuel, and gallon(not sure, but the more you buy the more you save)....but like stated before, it is a bit pricy. but over time will prove to pay for itself.......but from what i have seen and used it with has proven to be true so far......

for people out there that use expensive synthetic oils, or other additives, wether you use a diesal addative or something like lucas...you no longer have to....this one product should hopefully replace everything.......

Here is some more technical info on this product, the chemical is a unique combination of high-quality, non-toxic, specially designed esters that uses only the elements of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. It significantly reduces emissions, fuel consumption, and engine maintenance costs. This chemical provides an immediate, cost-effective strategy for fighting air pollution caused by fossil fuels and the internal combustion engine. This combination of low molecular cleaning esters and the high molecular lubricating esters, reformulates any fuel whether it’s gasoline, diesel, methanol, ethanol, LNG, compressed natural gas or bio-diesel. When blended with fuels, this chemical reduces the emissions of hydrocarbons (HC), nitrogen oxides (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO), particulate matter (PM) and other harmful products of combustion. Yet, the emission of O2 is significantly increased. An EPA registered laboratory, confirms that this chemical is 99.99976% clean upon ignition and ashless upon combustion. This Chemical is free of carcinogens. And has a flash point higher than water itself.....

This chemical is a light colored, multi-functional fuel reformulator. It is designed for use in all
fuels to increase power and mileage, dissolve gums and varnishes, lubricate upper cylinder
components and keep the entire fuel system clean and highly lubricated. It is recommended for
use at 1 part in 1280, which is equal to 1 fluid ounce of of this chemical per 10 gallons of fuel.

and there main focus is trying to get large companys who are burning through tons of gas every day to use this stuff........Because ultimately it is better for your vehicle, and will save you money in the long run, by increasing your fuel efficiancy from 7% to 20% by improving the way you burn it. By burning it more completely......


let me know what you all think........

[robodad]

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[EMPyre]

I'd be interested to learn more, however a lot of the science seems fishy so far...

1) The dilution ratio of 1:1280 hardly seems capable of significantly altering the chemical make-up or molecular chain of any refined hydrocarbon.  At that ratio even water will pass through you system unnoticed.

2) Esters are in fact acids, and I find it difficult to believe that it has no health hazards (non-toxic) associated with it.

3) Esters are in fact made of Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen.  So are petroleum products, which are hydrocarbons.  The combustion of which in the atmosphere results in the oxidation (combining with oxygen) of carbon, or nitrogen, or sulfur.

4) The only way to improve mileage for a given volume of fuel is to increase the energy density of said fuel.  I doubt very much that it is possible to do so at the mentioned ratio.  The energy density of gasoline is one one the highest known, that's why it is such a great fuel.  Hydrogen has more by mass, by has storage issues at pressures capable of matching mass with gasoline.

5) Fuel combustion in modern internal combustion engines is very complete.  In regards to gasoline the fuel ratio is 14.7:1, air to fuel.  This will vary some as atmospheric conditions, altitude, and driving style vary, but all OBD2 vehicles (post 1996) constantly adjust the air:fuel ratio, that's the purpose of the oxygen sensor on the exhaust stream.

6) Internal combustion drive trains typically see an overall system efficiency of closer to 60% when the heat loss, mechanical friction, and work output are all factored.  The ONLY way to improve this is to improve the system.  Improve the friction, turn the lost heat into usable energy, reduce weight of the vehicle and such.

This all comes down to a primary governing law of thermodynamics, which is one of three laws that is primary to physics and governs all of the universe.  This las is expressed in the energy balance equation, which simply states Ein=Eout.  Energy in MUST equal energy out.  The science just isn't there in my opinion, I'd like to see an independent study, not just the back panel label.

[EMPyre]

robodad, that's a dead link...

[robodad]

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[Coasthunterjay]

yes that is the stuff.......ETHOS FR.....

if you are interested further please let me know, but here is a better website to get your facts and info....

http://main.forearthonline.com/

this stuff is EPA certified and has been proven to be non-toxic and is safe to eat......

please if you all dont believe it then look at the media stuff and the product information.......

if you dont want to go there but are still interested in the info, then let me know.

[EMPyre]

Work had DNS issues, link is ok, problem was on my side, sorry.

[robodad]

I stepped on someone's toes for posting the links, Sorry bout that....

[zackmioli]

please post what your results are after your test is done, im very interested in seeing if it helps! best of luck!