Remington 300 Ultra Mag

[MtnMuley]

The target/match VLD was originated as a target bullet, not the hunting VLD.  The hunting VLD was disigned specifically for hunting.  What I am saying is that they are NOT the same.  They are totally DIFFERENT bullets, not just a swap of names.

[MDGrand]

Holy sh*t.. ok seems like we have a chicken and the egg argument here. .. from my undestanding the Hunting VLD was discovered as a good Hunting Bullet but was originally designed as JUST a target bullet first. After discovering that the VLD bullet was good on hunting, they slapped a Hunting name on the VLD logo and then set out to make another bullet meant just for target shooting.

Whatever the case, I will let you be the expert, I just shoot em.

[MtnMuley]

.. all I am saying is the Hunting VLD used to be JUST a target bullet, they FOUND OUT it was effective on game and slapped a hunting name on it. I was not comparing the two..

What you're saying here is false (untrue, lie, bullsh*t).  I never claimed to be an expert, just pointing out a statement that was untrue, and wanting to make sure that everyone else reading this post and trying to learn something aware, that you're statement was wrong.  That's all.  By the way, I use and love the Berger Hunting VLDs.  I would recommend making sure the box says Hunting VLD, not Match/Target VLD before using them for a big game hunting bullet.

[Jeremiah P]

JoshT told me of a kill that his buddy made on a bear at 575 yards with the Amax, if I remember correctly they found the bullet on the opposite shoulder and it retained 80% of original weight. So I don't think it's made to fragment out like a ballistic tip I wish JoshT was here to weigh in on the topic

[Jamieb]

I don't think Josh has posted here sense he moved. Have you heard from him sense the move?

[Jamieb]

I know a few folks that have killed a bunch of deer, elk, and blackbear with A-max's and swear by them. Put the bullet in the vitals and it will kill, but don't try to reach the vitals through the rear hams. As well as A-max's shoot in some of my rifles, I save them for long range playing and use other bullets for killing.

[Jeremiah P]

Well my good man what bullet will make game deader than dead

I know a few folks that have killed a bunch of deer, elk, and blackbear with A-max's and swear by them. Put the bullet in the vitals and it will kill, but don't try to reach the vitals through the rear hams. As well as A-max's shoot in some of my rifles, I save them for long range playing and use other bullets for killing.

[Jamieb]

I guess what I was trying to say is, the A-max's are never my first choise for killing but they will and do work just fine for a lot of folks.

[MtnMuley]

As we all know and have been told several times, shot placement is way more important than any bullet.  We just choose our bullets wisely in case of error.

[MDGrand]

.. all I am saying is the Hunting VLD used to be JUST a target bullet, they FOUND OUT it was effective on game and slapped a hunting name on it. I was not comparing the two..

What you're saying here is false (untrue, lie, bullsh*t).  I never claimed to be an expert, just pointing out a statement that was untrue, and wanting to make sure that everyone else reading this post and trying to learn something aware, that you're statement was wrong.  That's all.  By the way, I use and love the Berger Hunting VLDs.  I would recommend making sure the box says Hunting VLD, not Match/Target VLD before using them for a big game hunting bullet.

LOL...feel better? Glad you are looking out for the greater good. Do you wear a cape?  

[MtnMuley]

Nope.  No cape for me, and definately none of that Rivers West over-rated garbage either.

[MDGrand]

oh.. if only that hurt.. in insult from an anonymous internet blog.

Care to share what you are a "site sponser" of?

[MtnMuley]

....and wtf does that have to do with anything?  I commented on this post strictly because there was false information posted.  Apparently you are too proud to admit you posted false information for others to read and base their decisions on.  As for my responces, I apologize to the original poster for causing a rutkus in his thread. 

[MDGrand]

....and wtf does that have to do with anything?  I commented on this post strictly because there was false information posted.  Apparently you are too proud to admit you posted false information for others to read and base their decisions on.  As for my responces, I apologize to the original poster for causing a rutkus in his thread.  

OK.. Looks like I have come across one of those guys that takes this site WAY to seriously.. RELAX.. I am not in your living room or at your front door. Its clear you have a love affair with Berger and want to keep the truth to what you believe it is. I really dont take all this, especially what someone else says over the internet,seriously. But since it seems to be THAT important to you.. I will share one last time and then I will drop it. Reply all you want (and I too apologize to anyone else that is reading this...)

What does that have to do with anything? Well, you pretty much outwardly insulted my sponsership of Rivers West, so I was wondering what great product or service you are endorsing? You ARE a "sight sponser" are you not? Are you "too proud" to share?

As far as where my knowledge comes from regarding the Berger bullets:

1. One of the guys on the RW pro team is also sponsered by Berger.. at the SHOT show a few weeks ago, we hung out with the Berger guys.. They told me the design of the VLD was originally conceived as a "competition bullet" as Walt Berger was a competition shooter. Others at Berger and in the Industry (Best of the West TV show for example) found out that it was a very effective game bullet as well. SO, they set forth to create two lines, the "Hunting VLD" and the "Target VLD".. here is the video on Berger's site that says in the very beginning that "the VLD bullet was intoduced as a competition bullet..." The Berger VLD - Best Long Range Hunting Bullet

So how do you interpret that? I know that there are two different lines of bullets, I KNOW that there is a Target and Hunting VLD, so I don't need a lesson.. it seems to me that the inception of all of their bullets ORIGINALLY came from a need to design competition bullets first and that ran into their now Hunting VLD line... hence my original comment in this thread about perhaps the A Max being converted into a Hunting bullet as well, based on the experience of other hunters and two it seems apparent that this was the path that lead to the Berger Hunting VLD.

Regardless of all this, if I am wrong... and they misinformed me or I misunderstood.. who cares. Its lame, the argument is lame. I wasnt trying to purposely give "false" information or "lies and bullsh*t" as you said in a previous post. I didn't take any shots at your product or business (even though you wont say what that is), and I never called you liar or said you were full of "bullsh*t" .. you did..

Again.. sorry to anyone reading this thread as this is SOOO stupid

[high country]

I find it funny that xtra tough bullets are praised by many and highly frangible bullets are defended by many.....yet middle of the road, split the difference cup and core bullets are called crap by both groups.