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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2011, 06:04:58 PM »
Is that you in the orange vest----Lower right? :chuckle:

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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2011, 06:21:57 PM »
Awesome, thanks for posting.

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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2011, 06:58:45 PM »
Thanks Boneaddict,  Nice job on the cover  8)     got an email and Idahos are available as well
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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2011, 07:35:17 PM »
Nice cover boneaddict.  :tup:


I see that late muzzleloader blacktail season is still starting a day later than the late archery. Does anyone know why that is? I wrote a letter to the WDFW a couple months ago and asked them about it, and if they could change it so that muzzleloader would open the same day as archery, but I never got a reply back. I still thought they might listen to me and change it but now I see that my request fell on deaf ears.

I see another change- they added the average points of the people who drew permits, for each hunt, along with the number of applications for that hunt. I sure wish they wouldn't do that. All that's going to do is give people false hope. We see it all the time on here where people ask how many points does it "take" to draw a certain hunt. Well, the average points of the people who happened to draw a permit is NOT the same as the number of points it "takes." Just as an example, look at the modern firearm Peaches Ridge permit that was September 19-23. There were 1,524 applications for that hunt, and the average number of points was three.    :o

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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2011, 07:44:55 PM »
Nice cover boneaddict.  :tup:


I see that late muzzleloader blacktail season is still starting a day later than the late archery. Does anyone know why that is? I wrote a letter to the WDFW a couple months ago and asked them about it, and if they could change it so that muzzleloader would open the same day as archery, but I never got a reply back. I still thought they might listen to me and change it but now I see that my request fell on deaf ears.

I see another change- they added the average points of the people who drew permits, for each hunt, along with the number of applications for that hunt. I sure wish they wouldn't do that. All that's going to do is give people false hope. We see it all the time on here where people ask how many points does it "take" to draw a certain hunt. Well, the average points of the people who happened to draw a permit is NOT the same as the number of points it "takes." Just as an example, look at the modern firearm Peaches Ridge permit that was September 19-23. There were 1,524 applications for that hunt, and the average number of points was three.    :o

Marketing tactic.  Makes people think they have a chance, therefore WDFW will sell a bunch of apps to guys that think the average number of points actually means something. 
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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2011, 07:53:26 PM »
I didn't like that. It makes it more cluttered looking.

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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2011, 08:28:00 PM »
They split up the Dayton bull tags this year! Great I wanna waste my points to only hunt land outside the national forest! I like the extra bull
Tags they did add in the blues but why split up that hunt!?

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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2011, 08:35:56 PM »
They split up the Dayton bull tags this year! Great I wanna waste my points to only hunt land outside the national forest! I like the extra bull
Tags they did add in the blues but why split up that hunt!?

Probably to put some hunting pressure on the elk that are on private land. Otherwise there's a good chance anyone who drew a permit for that unit would only hunt the public land.

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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2011, 08:44:54 PM »
They also took almost all of the new last year late Blues mule deer permits and made them any buck 3 pt. minimum...not just muleys, at least thats the way it looks to me. Should make some of those permits more appealling...more shootable deer between whitetails and muleys anyway.
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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2011, 09:31:20 PM »
Looks like they took the first 4 days from the ML blue mt. Foothills permit in the past it always started on the 20th now its the 24th, those 4 days are smokin hot for the rut, total b.s.
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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2011, 05:26:59 PM »
Nice cover boneaddict.  :tup:


I see that late muzzleloader blacktail season is still starting a day later than the late archery. Does anyone know why that is? I wrote a letter to the WDFW a couple months ago and asked them about it, and if they could change it so that muzzleloader would open the same day as archery, but I never got a reply back. I still thought they might listen to me and change it but now I see that my request fell on deaf ears.

I see another change- they added the average points of the people who drew permits, for each hunt, along with the number of applications for that hunt. I sure wish they wouldn't do that. All that's going to do is give people false hope. We see it all the time on here where people ask how many points does it "take" to draw a certain hunt. Well, the average points of the people who happened to draw a permit is NOT the same as the number of points it "takes." Just as an example, look at the modern firearm Peaches Ridge permit that was September 19-23. There were 1,524 applications for that hunt, and the average number of points was three.    :o

Marketing tactic.  Makes people think they have a chance, therefore WDFW will sell a bunch of apps to guys that think the average number of points actually means something.
I wouldn't say it's false hope at all, it seems the guys with lower points are getting some pretty nice permits. That peaches ridge tag is a great example of someone with hardly any points drawing a tag that I'm sure a lot of guys with 10 or more were trying for.  And three muzzy elk tags in the wenaha went to guys with an average of 4 points... I wouldn't say false hope.
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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2011, 07:46:12 PM »
Basically it shows points don't out weigh luck. It's the average #, so people had less points and more than the average. It's like the lottery you can have your name in the hat 100 times but it only takes 1 to win   ; )

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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2011, 08:03:14 PM »
If I read it correctly they took some muzzy elk tags in the blues away and put some in for private land owners? Is that correct?  If so WTF, if no- please tell me I'm reading it wrong. thanks
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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2011, 08:11:01 PM »
what is u[p with some of the blues areas with the low tag count. Some places are hard to get to but not many tags? Is it lack of elk like the clockum cause of poaching and STUFF....

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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2011, 10:29:09 PM »
Did anybody notice the late mule deer permits in the Northeast? Geez, I knew they were talking about adding some late mule deer permits in those NE GMU's but I thought they were talking about doing it next year. Guess I heard wrong. I do think it's kind of ridiculous to only have one permit in each unit. Come on! Why not three or four? Or even ten? It won't be 100% success rate anyway. A couple more deer harvested is just a couple more that the wolves and cougars won't get.

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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2011, 10:50:22 PM »
Another interesting thing I noticed- the Green River bull elk rifle permit was moved from the "Bull" category to the "Quality" category. Makes sense. I wondered if it was a mistake that they didn't have it in as a Quality permit last year.

So this year if you have a westside rifle elk tag, there's nothing worth applying for in the "Bull" category.

Which is fine with me, I just saved $6.50.   :IBCOOL:

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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2011, 01:25:56 AM »
Did anybody notice the late mule deer permits in the Northeast? Geez, I knew they were talking about adding some late mule deer permits in those NE GMU's but I thought they were talking about doing it next year. Guess I heard wrong. I do think it's kind of ridiculous to only have one permit in each unit. Come on! Why not three or four? Or even ten? It won't be 100% success rate anyway. A couple more deer harvested is just a couple more that the wolves and cougars won't get.

Agreed.  If three or four permits versus one is going to cause biological problems then there are bigger issues at hand.
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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2011, 05:22:44 AM »
Another interesting thing I noticed- the Green River bull elk rifle permit was moved from the "Bull" category to the "Quality" category. Makes sense. I wondered if it was a mistake that they didn't have it in as a Quality permit last year.

So this year if you have a westside rifle elk tag, there's nothing worth applying for in the "Bull" category.

Which is fine with me, I just saved $6.50.   :IBCOOL:
I agree with you, the green river bull should be a quality hunt.  And your right about not having very many options in the bull catagory as a westside guy, I hunt with muzzy and we only have 3 options. That bull catagory is a joke.
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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2011, 06:10:03 AM »
Another interesting thing I noticed- the Green River bull elk rifle permit was moved from the "Bull" category to the "Quality" category. Makes sense. I wondered if it was a mistake that they didn't have it in as a Quality permit last year.

Not a mistake.  They had in the recommendation for approval.  The commission didn't even bat an eye at that one.  Nelson gets what Nelson wants; he referenced conferring with local biologists before changing.
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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2011, 07:03:49 AM »
about the green river tag guys, yes it belongs in quality, I can tell why you it got moved, becuase someone cared enough to complain in a civil manner not yelling and cussing them out, that someone was me, I called DAve W this winter and explained to him why it should be in the quality unit(basically it was the same circumstances as the watershed hunt in the blues and they should be treated consistently).  I also wrote in my comments during the comment period.  Hard to argue with logic that is presented in a positive fashion.  Yeah the bull category on the westside stinks, I think everyone can agree with that.
 
Do yes the department does listen to folks sometimes, with the new three year cycle coming up this summer gather some ideas. I for one would like to see a late mule deer tag in the sherman unit, if the other units have the deer for it, then the sherman unit definately does.   

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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2011, 09:29:29 AM »
about the green river tag guys, yes it belongs in quality, I can tell why you it got moved, becuase someone cared enough to complain in a civil manner not yelling and cussing them out, that someone was me, I called DAve W this winter and explained to him why it should be in the quality unit(basically it was the same circumstances as the watershed hunt in the blues and they should be treated consistently).  I also wrote in my comments during the comment period.  Hard to argue with logic that is presented in a positive fashion.  Yeah the bull category on the westside stinks, I think everyone can agree with that.
 
Do yes the department does listen to folks sometimes, with the new three year cycle coming up this summer gather some ideas. I for one would like to see a late mule deer tag in the sherman unit, if the other units have the deer for it, then the sherman unit definately does.

I know a lot of guys that sent emails asking why this wasn't a quality tag including myself.
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Re: 2011 Game rules are posted.........
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2011, 11:35:25 PM »
They've already got corrections to the 2011 Regulations posted:

2011 BIG GAME PAMPHLET CORRECTIONS
Corrections as of April 18, 2011
Page 53 (added April 18)
An incorrect “Tag Required to Apply” was listed for three Master Hunter Elk Hunts:
 Hunt Choice 2726 Region 1 was listed as “EM” (eastern muzzleloader) it should be “EF”
(eastern modern firearm).
Hunt Choices 2721 Region 5 and Hunt Choice 2725 Region 6 were both listed as “WM”
they should be “WF” (western modern firearm).


http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01184/2011_big_game_hunting_errata.pdf

 


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