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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #150 on: April 20, 2011, 08:30:34 PM »
Take a Ford over Obama motors any day

Really sad what happened to GM

Used to make the quintessential American muscle car.

Now they make golf carts. They lost their identity and soul :twocents:

The decline of America......

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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #151 on: April 20, 2011, 08:43:32 PM »
Just to be clear, I still haven't heard anybody contest the fact that the Chevy trucks in the test videos, have better braking, faster acceleration, firmer frames, less bumper sag, etc... than the fords? just personal preferance talk really...I love how people say "ford doesn't sell the most trucks every year for no reason", no, there's a reason, same reason mcdonalds sells there cheap food more than anybody else, cheap prices. There is however a reason why Silverado is Motor Trend Truck of the Year!  :spank_butt:


Motor Trend ratings lost all credibility with that rating. They rated the Chevy Volt number one too.Of course it had nothing to do with the Obama administration spending billions of our tax dollars bailing them out. The GM auto unions in retrun donated millions of union dues to the Dem party and Obama. GM uses our money to bulid plants in Mexico and China. What a racket!

No thanks

Every GM product I have owned has been unreliable.

Just had a 2010 chevy work truck crap out with less than 15,000 miles. Transmission is shot. Replaced under warranty

All my Toyotas have ran over 200,000 miles with only oil changes and brakes replaced. ZERO problems. All bulit here in the US with non Dem labor

See your confused, you are saying that because our tax dollars went into restructuring GM, the Chevy Volt isn't an amazing vehicle, and shouldn't be motor trend car of the year? I could be wrong, but i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I dought company financing goes into how they choose their winners. and your completely missing the point on the mcdonalds comment, or avoiding it anyways, it's not because they are quality, it's because they're cheap, if you think that mcdonalds makes a quality product, jokes on you. And the fact that you think GM used our money to build plants in mexico and china is cute at best, definately laughable. GM doesn't have factories in china first off, second off, all the parts they build in mexico and send up for assembly have been being built there since way before the bailout, just like ford does, please be informed instead of making up points.

So a tax payer funded bail out ( theft) of our money to give to corporations ( Gm) that in trun give them money ( forced union dues) to the corrupt Dem party is a good thing for me as a consumer.
Sound slike money laundering to me.

They needed a bail -out because they built a crappy product and could not compete on a fiar playing field.

The Price Of A Bailout? Every GM Car Sold Will Cost Taxpayers $12,000 Through 2011
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The American taxpayer has put up $12,200 for every General Motors vehicle sold through the beginning of 2011, and $7,600 for every Chrysler vehicle sold as well, according to a new report issued by the 362,000-member National Taxpayers Union (NTU).

The report, The Auto Bailout - A Taxpayer Quagmire, authored by NTU Adjunct Scholar Thomas D. Hopkins, Professor of Economics at the University of Rochester, does the math on what the government bailout of the auto industry - including General Motors, Chrysler, and GMAC - actually means to American taxpayers, including how much each taxpayer has contributed to the auto industry since December 2008 and how much each vehicle is costing us.

"Every time someone in your neighborhood drives home in a shiny new Chevy Silverado, remember that it cost American taxpayers more than $12,000," said Pete Sepp, NTU Vice President for Policy and Communications. "Between this and GM's plan to payback their bailout debt with other taxpayer funds, I wonder if all those Americans without work right now could think of any better ways to spend that money. This is a play out of the Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme playbook, and would be the equivalent of paying your Master Card bill with your Visa."

The study found that the average American taxpaying family has invested roughly $800 in the auto bailouts so far. Moreover, the study found, the government support poured into General Motors, Chrysler, and GMAC - the financing subsidiary that supports sales at both - now stands at a towering $78.9 billion. Given that figure, and an estimate of how many vehicles GM and Chrysler will sell through the end of 2010, the study finds that each vehicle one of the bailed-out companies sells costs taxpayers $10,700.

Finally, breaking down the costs by company, the study reports that every Chrysler vehicle sold costs taxpayers $7,600, and every GM vehicle sold costs taxpayers $12,200.

The research is based upon a November study released by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), entitled "Continued Stewardship Needed as Treasury Develops Strategies for Monitoring and Divesting Financial Interests in Chrysler and GM," a follow-up report on the "Troubled Asset Relief Program," as well as statements and reports released from the U.S. Treasury.

Additional Findings Include:

GMAC receives government guarantees not available to most private firms. Coincidentally, these are the same private firms that are forced to compete with GMAC's taxpayer-assisted bank, Ally Bank. These guarantees save GMAC about $500 million annually in interest costs.
During the first ten months of 2009, GM and Chrysler sales fell further than other major auto producers, down 33.4 percent and 38.9 percent, respectively.
While the prospect of repayment of GM and Chrysler loans might be expected, after bankruptcy the vast majority of the bailout funds are no longer legal obligations of the newly-structured GM and Chrysler.
If Americans are to believe public officials' claims that the government will eventually reprivatize the auto industry, the necessity of a thoughtful exit plan is essential. However, at this time no such plan exists, making it likely that the Treasury will not recover its investment.
"[T]he bailout has created moral hazard problems, inadvertently handicapping the progress of stronger, non-subsidized producers," Professor Hopkins concluded. "The problems extend beyond just the auto industry, as favored status for one financial company and its bank necessarily complicates prospects for non-subsidized rivals. The time has come to stop such bailouts, and in an orderly way, to seek at least some recovery for taxpayers."

You sir, are a wonderful example of a straw man, see The "Straw Man" Fallacy

you did not refute any of my points, all you stated was what everyone already knows, that GM got into trouble, took some help from us, and are working hard at paying it back, the government only owns 26% of GM now down from 61% before, due to them selling back the shares that were bought for the bailout. the remaining 26% will be sold back in the next year when share prices rise enough as to not lose money on them. that being said, what does any of this have to do with our original conversation about the fact that silverado and volt trucks and cars are the motor trend trucks/cars of the year? please re-read my previous post, and respond to the actual conversation, or not at all, it's silly to argue with someone about apples and all their talking about is oranges...


A Chevy Volt, car of the year, gets less gas milage than my 1981 VW Rabbit and it costs over $40,000. What a scam. Did you buy one?

Why was GM bailed out? Because the UAW give sthe Dems million sin union dues each year. Plain and simple truth!!!

How a guy can go on a fishing and hunting web site and brag about their GM product is beyond my comprehension.

Still waiting for my check from GM. And they need to pay pay me interest for the tax payer loan too.

Interesting that all of the stockholders of GM stock were screwed in this deal and lost tens of millions of dollars.

GM vehicles are manufacture by the corrupt UAW union. The UAW forces their members to pay mandatory  union dues and gives their dues in the form of political  contributions to the Dem Party. Millions of dollars a year.

Now many in the Dem Party want to outlaw firearms and ban hunting. They are the same ones behind the introduction of wolves so they can shut down hunting. No deer elk moose- no hunting.

How sportsmen  can convince themselves this a good thing is beyond my comprehension.

http://visiontoamerica.org/21/obama-to-sell-gm-stock-at-huge-loss-to-taxpayers/

You must just luv Obumbles and want him re-elected

I'll stick with non-union American made Toyotas

I believe were done here, I am a conservative, I do not like obama, nor do I want him re-elected, but do I hate gm because they are unionized? no, by that logic you hate all teachers because they are unionized, i guess you hate nurses too, get a grip on reality man. and the volt gets 50mpg on straight gas, but the first 40miles is all electric, so really, on a average day, you consume no gas, no I do not own one, but I do think the technology is amazing. your arguments are typical I hate unions banter, I'm not a fan either, but GM isn't benifiting from being a union, if you knew how unions worked you'd know that it cost companies more money when their employees go union, just stop getting it confused, you can get all political if you want, but none of that means anything about the vehicles themselves.

I never sad I hated unions. I hate the fact all unions have been co-opted by the Dem Party and are now corrupt. How can one FORCE a free working person to give to a corrupt political party in the US?
 
How is that possible?

As soon as you buy a Volt to go hunting get back to me. Where does the electricity from the Volt come from. Magical Obama unicorns?

You have to plug it in and electricity comes from mostly coal power now in the US.

No one is buying the VolT except he Govt ( Obama) and GE  which receives a huge tax credit from us the tax payers to buy them. WHat a scam by GM and Obama!!!

In five years the batteries in the Volt are useless.

"One of the dilemmas facing electric vehicles today is what to do with all the batteries once they’ve been used up. The lithium-ion batteries used in EVs like the 2011 Chevy Volt can become highly toxic as they degrade and can produce more pollution just sitting in a landfill than the worst gas-guzzling car sold today"

Obama 2012!!!!!.

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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #152 on: April 20, 2011, 09:07:43 PM »
Just to be clear, I still haven't heard anybody contest the fact that the Chevy trucks in the test videos, have better braking, faster acceleration, firmer frames, less bumper sag, etc... than the fords? just personal preferance talk really...I love how people say "ford doesn't sell the most trucks every year for no reason", no, there's a reason, same reason mcdonalds sells there cheap food more than anybody else, cheap prices. There is however a reason why Silverado is Motor Trend Truck of the Year!  :spank_butt:


Motor Trend ratings lost all credibility with that rating. They rated the Chevy Volt number one too.Of course it had nothing to do with the Obama administration spending billions of our tax dollars bailing them out. The GM auto unions in retrun donated millions of union dues to the Dem party and Obama. GM uses our money to bulid plants in Mexico and China. What a racket!

No thanks

Every GM product I have owned has been unreliable.

Just had a 2010 chevy work truck crap out with less than 15,000 miles. Transmission is shot. Replaced under warranty

All my Toyotas have ran over 200,000 miles with only oil changes and brakes replaced. ZERO problems. All bulit here in the US with non Dem labor

See your confused, you are saying that because our tax dollars went into restructuring GM, the Chevy Volt isn't an amazing vehicle, and shouldn't be motor trend car of the year? I could be wrong, but i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I dought company financing goes into how they choose their winners. and your completely missing the point on the mcdonalds comment, or avoiding it anyways, it's not because they are quality, it's because they're cheap, if you think that mcdonalds makes a quality product, jokes on you. And the fact that you think GM used our money to build plants in mexico and china is cute at best, definately laughable. GM doesn't have factories in china first off, second off, all the parts they build in mexico and send up for assembly have been being built there since way before the bailout, just like ford does, please be informed instead of making up points.

So a tax payer funded bail out ( theft) of our money to give to corporations ( Gm) that in trun give them money ( forced union dues) to the corrupt Dem party is a good thing for me as a consumer.
Sound slike money laundering to me.

They needed a bail -out because they built a crappy product and could not compete on a fiar playing field.

The Price Of A Bailout? Every GM Car Sold Will Cost Taxpayers $12,000 Through 2011
 www.ntu.org


The American taxpayer has put up $12,200 for every General Motors vehicle sold through the beginning of 2011, and $7,600 for every Chrysler vehicle sold as well, according to a new report issued by the 362,000-member National Taxpayers Union (NTU).

The report, The Auto Bailout - A Taxpayer Quagmire, authored by NTU Adjunct Scholar Thomas D. Hopkins, Professor of Economics at the University of Rochester, does the math on what the government bailout of the auto industry - including General Motors, Chrysler, and GMAC - actually means to American taxpayers, including how much each taxpayer has contributed to the auto industry since December 2008 and how much each vehicle is costing us.

"Every time someone in your neighborhood drives home in a shiny new Chevy Silverado, remember that it cost American taxpayers more than $12,000," said Pete Sepp, NTU Vice President for Policy and Communications. "Between this and GM's plan to payback their bailout debt with other taxpayer funds, I wonder if all those Americans without work right now could think of any better ways to spend that money. This is a play out of the Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme playbook, and would be the equivalent of paying your Master Card bill with your Visa."

The study found that the average American taxpaying family has invested roughly $800 in the auto bailouts so far. Moreover, the study found, the government support poured into General Motors, Chrysler, and GMAC - the financing subsidiary that supports sales at both - now stands at a towering $78.9 billion. Given that figure, and an estimate of how many vehicles GM and Chrysler will sell through the end of 2010, the study finds that each vehicle one of the bailed-out companies sells costs taxpayers $10,700.

Finally, breaking down the costs by company, the study reports that every Chrysler vehicle sold costs taxpayers $7,600, and every GM vehicle sold costs taxpayers $12,200.

The research is based upon a November study released by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), entitled "Continued Stewardship Needed as Treasury Develops Strategies for Monitoring and Divesting Financial Interests in Chrysler and GM," a follow-up report on the "Troubled Asset Relief Program," as well as statements and reports released from the U.S. Treasury.

Additional Findings Include:

GMAC receives government guarantees not available to most private firms. Coincidentally, these are the same private firms that are forced to compete with GMAC's taxpayer-assisted bank, Ally Bank. These guarantees save GMAC about $500 million annually in interest costs.
During the first ten months of 2009, GM and Chrysler sales fell further than other major auto producers, down 33.4 percent and 38.9 percent, respectively.
While the prospect of repayment of GM and Chrysler loans might be expected, after bankruptcy the vast majority of the bailout funds are no longer legal obligations of the newly-structured GM and Chrysler.
If Americans are to believe public officials' claims that the government will eventually reprivatize the auto industry, the necessity of a thoughtful exit plan is essential. However, at this time no such plan exists, making it likely that the Treasury will not recover its investment.
"[T]he bailout has created moral hazard problems, inadvertently handicapping the progress of stronger, non-subsidized producers," Professor Hopkins concluded. "The problems extend beyond just the auto industry, as favored status for one financial company and its bank necessarily complicates prospects for non-subsidized rivals. The time has come to stop such bailouts, and in an orderly way, to seek at least some recovery for taxpayers."

You sir, are a wonderful example of a straw man, see The "Straw Man" Fallacy

you did not refute any of my points, all you stated was what everyone already knows, that GM got into trouble, took some help from us, and are working hard at paying it back, the government only owns 26% of GM now down from 61% before, due to them selling back the shares that were bought for the bailout. the remaining 26% will be sold back in the next year when share prices rise enough as to not lose money on them. that being said, what does any of this have to do with our original conversation about the fact that silverado and volt trucks and cars are the motor trend trucks/cars of the year? please re-read my previous post, and respond to the actual conversation, or not at all, it's silly to argue with someone about apples and all their talking about is oranges...


A Chevy Volt, car of the year, gets less gas milage than my 1981 VW Rabbit and it costs over $40,000. What a scam. Did you buy one?

Why was GM bailed out? Because the UAW give sthe Dems million sin union dues each year. Plain and simple truth!!!

How a guy can go on a fishing and hunting web site and brag about their GM product is beyond my comprehension.

Still waiting for my check from GM. And they need to pay pay me interest for the tax payer loan too.

Interesting that all of the stockholders of GM stock were screwed in this deal and lost tens of millions of dollars.

GM vehicles are manufacture by the corrupt UAW union. The UAW forces their members to pay mandatory  union dues and gives their dues in the form of political  contributions to the Dem Party. Millions of dollars a year.

Now many in the Dem Party want to outlaw firearms and ban hunting. They are the same ones behind the introduction of wolves so they can shut down hunting. No deer elk moose- no hunting.

How sportsmen  can convince themselves this a good thing is beyond my comprehension.

http://visiontoamerica.org/21/obama-to-sell-gm-stock-at-huge-loss-to-taxpayers/

You must just luv Obumbles and want him re-elected

I'll stick with non-union American made Toyotas

I believe were done here, I am a conservative, I do not like obama, nor do I want him re-elected, but do I hate gm because they are unionized? no, by that logic you hate all teachers because they are unionized, i guess you hate nurses too, get a grip on reality man. and the volt gets 50mpg on straight gas, but the first 40miles is all electric, so really, on a average day, you consume no gas, no I do not own one, but I do think the technology is amazing. your arguments are typical I hate unions banter, I'm not a fan either, but GM isn't benifiting from being a union, if you knew how unions worked you'd know that it cost companies more money when their employees go union, just stop getting it confused, you can get all political if you want, but none of that means anything about the vehicles themselves.

I never sad I hated unions. I hate the fact all unions have been co-opted by the Dem Party and are now corrupt. How can one FORCE a free working person to give to a corrupt political party in the US?
 
How is that possible?

As soon as you buy a Volt to go hunting get back to me. Where does the electricity from the Volt come from. Magical Obama unicorns?

You have to plug it in and electricity comes from mostly coal power now in the US.

No one is buying the VolT except he Govt ( Obama) and GE  which receives a huge tax credit from us the tax payers to buy them. WHat a scam by GM and Obama!!!

In five years the batteries in the Volt are useless.

"One of the dilemmas facing electric vehicles today is what to do with all the batteries once they’ve been used up. The lithium-ion batteries used in EVs like the 2011 Chevy Volt can become highly toxic as they degrade and can produce more pollution just sitting in a landfill than the worst gas-guzzling car sold today"

Obama 2012!!!!!.

I drive my silverado when I hunt/fish/camp/otherwise, but as a commuter car, a volt would be great for gas mileage. I never said that it was "eco-friendly" or "green energy" a couple of terms i'm sure your used to muttering. I am not caught up in the debakle that is global warming, just that it is extremely inovative, and very fuel efficient. it is true that on the east coast most of our energy comes from coal, but out here in the PNW, most of our energy comes from hydro, wind, nuclear, and combined cycle natural gas plants like the one that Im an operator at, and I can tell you from experience, one gas plant like mine that produces enough energy to power seattle polutes less than your toyota does, where will the batteries go? I don't know, maybe recycle them? what a weird and wacky idea right, i'm sure your response to this write up will, as in the past 10, not have a single answer to what i wrote, but 10 different things to talk about that don't matter either, see straw man video i posted for you to better illistrate how I feel about these conversations.

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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #153 on: April 20, 2011, 09:07:58 PM »
You have to plug it in and electricity comes from mostly coal power now in the US.

No one is buying the VolT except he Govt ( Obama) and GE  which receives a huge tax credit from us the tax payers to buy them. WHat a scam by GM and Obama!!!

In five years the batteries in the Volt are useless.

"One of the dilemmas facing electric vehicles today is what to do with all the batteries once they’ve been used up. The lithium-ion batteries used in EVs like the 2011 Chevy Volt can become highly toxic as they degrade and can produce more pollution just sitting in a landfill than the worst gas-guzzling car sold today"

Obama 2012!!!!!.

This is actually true although completely different than the original argument :P , it's also my primary argument against hybrid/electric/hydrogen powered cars. Small diesel engine powered cars and light trucks would be far better in all ways than any of those.

EDIT: Do you guys know how to edit posts so you don't take up 13 pages with a single post? My scrolling finger is feelin' the burn!
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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #154 on: April 20, 2011, 09:25:26 PM »
Chebby and Ford will be the start of the second civil war .... :rolleyes: GO FORD!
If that happens,  I'm sure Dodge will be getting in on the action to.   :chuckle:












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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #155 on: April 20, 2011, 09:29:39 PM »
You have to plug it in and electricity comes from mostly coal power now in the US.

No one is buying the VolT except he Govt ( Obama) and GE  which receives a huge tax credit from us the tax payers to buy them. WHat a scam by GM and Obama!!!

In five years the batteries in the Volt are useless.

"One of the dilemmas facing electric vehicles today is what to do with all the batteries once they’ve been used up. The lithium-ion batteries used in EVs like the 2011 Chevy Volt can become highly toxic as they degrade and can produce more pollution just sitting in a landfill than the worst gas-guzzling car sold today"

Obama 2012!!!!!.

This is actually true although completely different than the original argument :P , it's also my primary argument against hybrid/electric/hydrogen powered cars. Small diesel engine powered cars and light trucks would be far better in all ways than any of those.

EDIT: Do you guys know how to edit posts so you don't take up 13 pages with a single post? My scrolling finger is feelin' the burn!

Excellent point FC.

The "green cars" are a big scam.

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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #156 on: April 20, 2011, 09:31:54 PM »
Forgive me for writing my opinion which has absolutely nothing to do with GM or Ford ,but America's economy as whole ..... I'm copying link to Peterson-Pew report http://www.pewtrusts.org/uploadedFiles/wwwpewtrustsorg/Reports/Economic_Mobility/Pew_DebtReport_Final.pdf?n=626
which some of you may find interesting and it has lot to do with our future ,not the future of Obama or the next president .The future generations are gonna pay dearly for our inability to do something soon .
Talking about cars let's take a look at Euro model of Lexus CT200H with its hybrid 1.8 gas engine and mileage of 57miles/galon - or the IS 200d with 2.2 turbo diesel engine (don't know the mileage) .http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/03/new-lexus-ct-200h-hybrid-hatch-goes-on.html
I'm personally ready to test drive the new Nissan Van http://www.nissancommercialvehicles.com/?dcp=ppn.55539819.&dcc=0.231392702- let's see if the high top version and pickup like front will outsell FORD Vans (depending on cost  ,engine size etc. of course) Next few years will tell us if the American auto industry will survive or not ....till then we don't know
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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #157 on: April 20, 2011, 09:45:38 PM »
right, skewed, by an accredited non-affiliated agency, looks pretty straight forward and clear to me, sore loser  :)

Based upon personal experience GM builds inferior products

The accredited non-affiliated agencies no longer exist. If they did they could explain why my work vehicle,  a 2010 Chevy,  tranny blew up at less than 20,000 miles. Another 2009 Chevy Impala at work just blew an engine with less than 40,000 miles. Wow Chevy's are great because Obama tells us so.

I worked in a GM plant one Summer in 1981 and I saw a lot of GM workers showing up drunk or high for work. Could not fire union employees. They purposely put parts on backwards so the vehicles rolling off the assembly lines would break down and have to be worked on again. Instant over time for union employees with no concern for public safety.

All of our wind power in Washington goes to Kalifornia. A friend lost 30% of her property value because they stuck noisy innefficient a wind turbine right next to her property. She protested them being built next to her house along with all others in Kittitas County But Dem Gov Gregoire over ruled her. If wind power is so wonderful why doesn't Kalifornia build them there?

I live on wind and solar power and I can tell you from first hand experience it is not the future.

Last Toyota over 200,000 miles and not one cent of tax dollars stolen from me. Toyota gives no money to Obama. GM gives millions of dollars to Obama. Sorry will not buy GM

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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #158 on: April 20, 2011, 10:07:49 PM »
right, skewed, by an accredited non-affiliated agency, looks pretty straight forward and clear to me, sore loser  :)

Based upon personal experience GM builds inferior products

The accredited non-affiliated agencies no longer exist. If they did they could explain why my work vehicle,  a 2010 Chevy,  tranny blew up at less than 20,000 miles. Another 2009 Chevy Impala at work just blew an engine with less than 40,000 miles. Wow Chevy's are great because Obama tells us so.

I worked in a GM plant one Summer in 1981 and I saw a lot of GM workers showing up drunk or high for work. Could not fire union employees. They purposely put parts on backwards so the vehicles rolling off the assembly lines would break down and have to be worked on again. Instant over time for union employees with no concern for public safety.

All of our wind power in Washington goes to Kalifornia. A friend lost 30% of her property value because they stuck noisy innefficient a wind turbine right next to her property. She protested them being built next to her house along with all others in Kittitas County But Dem Gov Gregoire over ruled her. If wind power is so wonderful why doesn't Kalifornia build them there?

I live on wind and solar power and I can tell you from first hand experience it is not the future.

Last Toyota over 200,000 miles and not one cent of tax dollars stolen from me. Toyota gives no money to Obama. GM gives millions of dollars to Obama. Sorry will not buy GM

alrighty, on to the next topics i guess, so, you believe that chevy's are crap because you know of a couple that had faulty parts? my brother had a 2005 cummins,bought brand new, blew one injector after another until at 1,000 miles it blew the engine, and he traded it in on a duramax, smoother that silk. does that mean that all cummins are turds, no, but by your assumption it does, there will be lemons, it happens. if you can tell me about any auto manufacurer that hasn't had something i.e. engine, tranny, blow up early from time to time, you will be making it up, because they don't exist, it happens, that's what warranties are for.

Next, I agree, wind power is in no way the future, it is unreliable, takes up too much space, and is extremely anoying, but you are wrong, our wind power goes onto the 500kv line that spans from canada to mexico, as does our coal power, hydro, nuclear and combined cycle plants. it is used all up and down the west coast, so that we have a sustainable reliable grid, so by your logic, the wind turbines in california, with a "k" apparently, produce power for washington. I work in this industry, and know a thing or two about it, your wrong.

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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #159 on: April 20, 2011, 10:29:52 PM »
Go on craigslist...type in diesel 4x4 in the owner section.....lo and behold..there tons of used fords for sale locally compared to chevs! Maybe those guys see the light and wanna unload the scrap? you be the judge

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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #160 on: April 20, 2011, 10:59:22 PM »
Go on craigslist...type in diesel 4x4 in the owner section.....lo and behold..there tons of used fords for sale locally compared to chevs! Maybe those guys see the light and wanna unload the scrap? you be the judge

http://seattle.craigslist.org/search/cto?query=diesel+4x4&srchType=T&minAsk=&maxAsk=

hahaha, there were a ton, must be a coencidence though...lol

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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #161 on: April 21, 2011, 07:29:10 AM »
Anyone on here want to buy a 2010 chevy with a shot transmission?


No they really make a wonderful vehicle. I saw a commercial on TV that told me so. And purchasing a Chevy is a vote for Obama. Can't beat that

Obama 2012. Maybe he can get gas up to $8 a gallon his second term and put more wolves into Washington

Amazing guys on here support him

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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #162 on: April 21, 2011, 11:06:01 AM »
Go on craigslist...type in diesel 4x4 in the owner section.....lo and behold..there tons of used fords for sale locally compared to chevs! Maybe those guys see the light and wanna unload the scrap? you be the judge

http://seattle.craigslist.org/search/cto?query=diesel+4x4&srchType=T&minAsk=&maxAsk=

That is because Ford made way more diesels than Chevy.  Delete the diesel part and just put in 4X4 and a year and it will come up with a pretty equal number.  Ford did not have a good gas motor until this model year.  No I am not trying to start stuff with V10 owners.

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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #163 on: April 21, 2011, 11:16:35 AM »
Go on craigslist...type in diesel 4x4 in the owner section.....lo and behold..there tons of used fords for sale locally compared to chevs! Maybe those guys see the light and wanna unload the scrap? you be the judge

http://seattle.craigslist.org/search/cto?query=diesel+4x4&srchType=T&minAsk=&maxAsk=

That is because Ford made way more diesels than Chevy.  Delete the diesel part and just put in 4X4 and a year and it will come up with a pretty equal number.  Ford did not have a good gas motor until this model year.  No I am not trying to start stuff with V10 owners.
Why delete the diesel part and skew the numbers.  Afterall the thread began about a diesel truck test.
And besides, the bulk of the Ford's in the CL search have the 6.0 leaker power plant, which speaks for itself as being the biggest POS Ford chose to use.  Smart sellers, dump it before it eats itself from the inside out.

Just doing my part to keep the thread going.  :chuckle:

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Re: ford fans beware...the following post may upset you
« Reply #164 on: April 21, 2011, 11:44:54 AM »
Eco Boost....

Parallel turbo chargers on a gas engine..Isn't that for cars. Didn't most parallel twin turbo charged car manufactures change configurations because of problems. Expensive maintenance  :dunno:


Just doing my part to keep the thread going.   :chuckle:

 


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