Washington Wolf politics

[Lowedog]

That is not how conspiracies work KM! 

[wolfbait]

same ungrounded BS with no documentation...  show us the evidence of any wolf recovery efforts in the 80's and 90's...more than the same inaccurate newspaper article you always produce. 

Still waiting on your earthshaking court case to make the news too...can't wait for that. 

Soooo waycoyote, do you suppose the government was in cahoots with the seattle times?? 


 Where have wolves been seen in the North Cascades?

Since 1984, wolves have been seen roaming in the vicinity of Ross Lake (Ross Lake National Recreation Area in Washington and Skagit Valley Recreation Area in British Columbia) on both sides of the International Boundary. Wolves were photographed near Hozomeen (shown at left) at the north end of Ross Lake in 1991. Locations of other sightings in the North Cascades include McAlester Pass, Pasayten Wilderness and Twisp River drainage of the Okanogan National Forest, Glacier Peak Wilderness, and Stevens Pass.

Are gray wolves reproducing in the North Cascades?

In 1990, adults with pups were seen in the Hozomeen area. This was the first known reproduction of wild wolves in Washington State in at least 50 years! Since 1990, biologists have seen three separate groups of adult wolves with pups in the Cascades. Wolves mate in February or March.  http://www.nps.gov/archive/noca/wolf.htm

[Stalker]

Received below from a friend in Moscowe Idaho today.  I guess this missed the evening news.

"We have so many wolves around that it is not funny.  They
killed a 6 pt. bull right on the highway this year, ate a half of the
hind quarter and split; the elk was still alive.  Several of the town
folks got together and killed it for a needy family."

I can appreciate the animals for what they are, top tier predators.  The problem is the politics.  If I believed we could actually sit down and come up with a true management plan then I would be all for it.  However the lib tards who continue to lie and use the corrupt justices sitting the bench to promote their whack agenda make this impossible.  Unfortunate!  So I submit that this, like other hot button issues, need to be engaged often or we will have no hunting future.

[wolfbait]

I think the wolf issue is starting to turn around as more people see the damage that has and is being done. It is to bad that so many had to suffer before the truth could be exposed. Storeis like yours and others explain how corrupt the USFWs and F&G are. If they were true managers of wildlife this would have never happened. Folks blame the evironmentalists for all the time spent in courts fighting to keep the wolves listed on the endangered joke list, but WHO was it that brought these wolves into the lower 48? Who was it that embezzled 60 to 70 million dollars for the illegal Canadian wolf introduction?

Thanks for posting your story. Stalker

[Stalker]

I think the wolf issue is starting to turn around as more people see the damage that has and is being done. It is to bad that so many had to suffer before the truth could be exposed. Stories like yours and others explain how corrupt the USFWs and F&G are. If they were true managers of wildlife this would have never happened. Folks blame the environmentalists for all the time spent in courts fighting to keep the wolves listed on the endangered joke list, but WHO was it that brought these wolves into the lower 48? Who was it that embezzled 60 to 70 million dollars for the illegal Canadian wolf introduction?

Thanks for posting your story. Stalker

I hope you are correct in your position that "I think the wolf issue is starting to turn around as more people see the damage that has and is being done.". 

I for one would like to believe that and again would like to have serious dialogue on the issue; but when serious money is involved, as you point out, figure the odds.  With that being said I would submit we as hunters have invested a tremendous amount of capital bringing our resources back from the edge and in this issue (and a few others) we are being ignored.  We do not want to see these animals fully eradicated but simply managed. 

But unfortunately we may have to take an unpopular position with regard to laws that are for all intense and purpose unjust and do what we know to be right until we can bring some logic into the equation and remove the emotion; unfortunate.   

[mulehunter]

Very Sad.... Wolves are killing off all the game herds, now they are running low and they are killing more livestock as livestock is harder to kill they will be hunting around peoples homes, people are starting to come to their sense that wolves are not the warm fuzzy critters that DoW and the USFWS say they are.



Mulehunter 

[Stalker]

"Folks blame the evironmentalists for all the time spent in courts fighting to keep the wolves listed on the endangered joke list, but WHO was it that brought these wolves into the lower 48? Who was it that embezzled 60 to 70 million dollars for the illegal Canadian wolf introduction?

Thanks for posting your story. Stalker

I fullly believe that we the hunters / fishemen (women) remain the "True Environmentalists" in this mess.

[wolfbait]

I agree Stalker, without the sportsmen/women there would have been no place for the wolves to eat. What took years of hard work and $$$$$$$$$$ took 15 years to ruin in some States, anywhere these wolves are release they will decimate the game herds and play hell with livestock. In 1967 the  parks service introduced wolves on the sly in YNP, but back then they didn't know that in order for the wolves to stay they needed to be soft released, so the wolves went home. The parks service also falsified evidence that the wolves had survived since the 1930's enen though no one ever saw any wolves for all of those years. The few wolves that people did see in 1968 were the wolves that had been introduced from Canada and these disappear quite soon. quite sure that the USWFS learned about soft release from that release in 1967.

[wolfbait]

F&G are using soft release in other States now also, here is how it works, they release wolves in a state and then they haul road kill etc to these wolves untill they ajusted. Bingo another state now has a population of wolves that like their new home. You hear stories of single wolves that traveled many miles "looking for a mate" in reality those wolves are heading back home to Canada or where ever their home once was.

[jackelope]

So an 18 year old newspaper article where no one was actually quoted is supposed to some kind of proof of the great wolf conspiracy? 

yes apparently you are depending on who you ask. Proof is not always a prerequisite apparently.
 

[Special T]

What i would like to know is what info does the state have? If we are paying their salaries then spread the information... IF WB and others are conspiracy nuts then shed the light.... If ANYONE spent time digging up info contrary to what is in the articles WB has posted  then share.     The excuses and silence is astounding.... I'm to busy to waste my time, he's a crazy old man, and wears a tin foil hat!    Winston churchill was called the same things and worst when he railed against the coming confrontation with the Nazis....If i remember correctly they ran his ass out of Parliament then had to beg to have him come back for the war....  This state is full of pansy ass bandwagon jumpers! how many of you are going to say "I saw the wolf thing coming and knew it was gonna be a problem.."   For all you mental giants out there let me give you a little piece of advise.. You have to make a decision about ANY subject with 60-75% of the information available. WHY? Because earlier and you don't have enough info, and any later you don't have enough time to affect change in the outcome... That means that WB will have changed all your minds once the game is gone... and because you wish to remain ignorant you deserve what you get! 

[Lowedog]

Did you just compare Wolfbait to Winston Churchill and wolves to Nazis? 

[haus]

same ungrounded BS with no documentation...  show us the evidence of any wolf recovery efforts in the 80's and 90's...more than the same inaccurate newspaper article you always produce.  

Still waiting on your earthshaking court case to make the news too...can't wait for that.  

wasn't an effort in the '90s cupcake the wolves did it on their own, detailed by NPS, WDFW, media outlets etc. Yet today everyone says 70 years!!! as if they just got here    apparently they got held up by ICE  

don't try and tell wolfbait they came here on their own.

jack my response is in specific reference to the wolves sighted circa early 90's up in northern WA and how that has filtered through literature since then.

[haus]

So an 18 year old newspaper article where no one was actually quoted is supposed to some kind of proof of the great wolf conspiracy? 

1 article? lol. conspiracy?..... no 2 separate subjects here okay.

wolfbaits accusations of transportation are referencing more recent times. The failure to mention public comments made in the early 1990's is separate from this and has to do directly with how wolf history in our state is being presented to the public.

[haus]

yeah that.  and don't call me cupcake either...

You're exactly right; they are coming on their own.  it was only recently that the agencies were able to (put much real effort into) actually documenting the wolf packs.  A transient animal or a pack that does not persist means very little, they needed to collect some data to document reproduction.  
That's why the lookout pack was the "first documented pack"...not likely the first wolves to try though.

'documented pack' ...something that I question the WDFW on and sent an email regarding yesterday. I question why the wolf information is wrote in the manner that it is on the wdfw site because it barely, just barely from a technical word for word standpoint keeps them off the hook from getting nailed in court for what they're saying on the website. Course thats my non legal degreed observation, by all means maybe it isn't adequate. Regardless of legal standing it implys that wolves were very sporadically seen in the state and just sudden showed up in established packs middle of this last decade. This runs contrary to:
http://www.nps.gov/archive/noca/wolf.htm

what this does to the uniformed is discount the significance of the fact that the wolves have been here for at least two decades and are doing fine on their own without any need of assistance by us via transporting them all over the freakin state, as proposed in 3 out of 4 options in the draft plan.