Wolf Wars have moved to Washington

[sebek556]

to go view wolves in the wild would require a discovery pass which is $30
deer bear elk and cougar tag $79.20
Which is more money for the state?
Plus if someone would like to view wolves wouldnt they already be viewing wildlife and have a discovery pass?
Where are after the wolves wipe out the elk population and move onto others they will not sell tags for them.
https://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/ so you can check the prices yourself

[Elkaholic daWg]

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I'm sure there are  people in WA who don't necessarily hunt who would enjoy seeing wolves in the wild. I know most hunters don't want wolves in WA."


 Neither would those others if they were in THEIR backyards

[robertg]

Wolves will bring benefits. The people who want to see them in the wild can. Just because wolves may not bring benefits to hunters, doesn't mean they won't bring benefits to people who love seeing wildlife.

I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HUNTERS BENEFITING.  I SAID STATE 
THE STATE WILL NOT BENEFIT IN ANY WAY FROM WOLVES.  JUST READ KAINS POST.  WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN IN IDAHO.  AND IT'LL BE THE SAME THING IN WASHINGTON, ONLY WORSE.

People who want to see wild wolves in the wild will have the chance to do so. I know you may only be concerned with what you want, but there are other people in Wa that want something different.

[sebek556]

robertg please answer how the state will make more money off a 30 dollar pass then a 80 dollar license

[Elkaholic daWg]

Wolves will bring benefits. The people who want to see them in the wild can. Just because wolves may not bring benefits to hunters, doesn't mean they won't bring benefits to people who love seeing wildlife.

I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HUNTERS BENEFITING.  I SAID STATE 
THE STATE WILL NOT BENEFIT IN ANY WAY FROM WOLVES.  JUST READ KAINS POST.  WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN IN IDAHO.  AND IT'LL BE THE SAME THING IN WASHINGTON, ONLY WORSE.

People who want to see wild wolves in the wild will have the chance to do so.

"I know you may only be concerned with what you want, but there are other people in Wa that want something different."

DITTO!

[Machias]

WELL SAID     IN OTHER WORDS,.. WOLVES WILL NOT BENEFIT THE STATE AT ALL.

Any small economic gain will never offset the losses of lost hunting opportunity, livestock depredation, pets deaths, study after study, tracking, investigating and so on.  And that is not even counting the countless lawsuits the state will have to fight just to remove them from the list and the years of management the state will go through before they even admit the correct number of wolves. 

And after all that is said and done, you will have the same incompetents managing wolves that now manage our other predators.

What the pro wolf organizations (& their mouthpieces) are saying is, "You know we are lying, You know we will not abide by any agreements we make, You know the outcome of our agenda will lower the number of human hunters, and we are determined to keep on course." The "science" is junk, it does not include all factors. Like every Eco-agenda the "science" plays out like a Jehovah Witness Watchtower. Their words are the truth from the rose colored glasses & the brainwashed point of view.

AMEN!!!!!!!

[JimmyHoffa]

to go view wolves in the wild would require a discovery pass which is $30
deer bear elk and cougar tag $79.20
Which is more money for the state?
Plus if someone would like to view wolves wouldnt they already be viewing wildlife and have a discovery pass?
Where are after the wolves wipe out the elk population and move onto others they will not sell tags for them.
https://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/ so you can check the prices yourself

Last numbers I saw indicate that only 3.7% of the state's population (and decreasing) hunt.  If they can sell a discovery pass to 9.77% of the state (roughly 10% of non-hunters) they make the same amount.

[BIGINNER]

Wolves will bring benefits. The people who want to see them in the wild can. Just because wolves may not bring benefits to hunters, doesn't mean they won't bring benefits to people who love seeing wildlife.

I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HUNTERS BENEFITING.  I SAID STATE 
THE STATE WILL NOT BENEFIT IN ANY WAY FROM WOLVES.  JUST READ KAINS POST.  WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN IN IDAHO.  AND IT'LL BE THE SAME THING IN WASHINGTON, ONLY WORSE.

People who want to see wild wolves in the wild will have the chance to do so. I know you may only be concerned with what you want, but there are other people in Wa that want something different.

YOU ARE WRONG THERE,  I WANT WHAT IS BETTER FOR THE STATE, WICH IS NOT TO WAIST ALL THE WILDLIFE FUNDS ON TRYING TO CONPENSATE FOR WOLF DAMAGE,  I WANT THE WILDLIFE TO PROSPER. (WITCH REQUIRES MANAGEMENT, AND HOW DOES THE MANAGEMENT GET PAID FOR?  MOSTLY BY HUNTERS.  SO MISTER OR MISS ROBERT,.. YOU WANT TO SEE WILDLIFE,... WELL GUESS WHAT,  HUNTERS ARE PAYING AND CONTRIBUTING FOR EVERYONE TO ENJOY WILDLIFE,  SO,.. I DON'T CARE ABOUT MYSLEF ONLY, I CARE FOR YOU TOO.....

NOT TOO MUCH TOUGH...

OK.. NOT AT ALL...

I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR HARD WORK AND FUNDS GO DOWN THE DRAIN AND THE WILDLIFE TO GET RUINED   

 

[Hockdo7]

I'm gonna hope that WFW is not condoning any SSS comments,and I hope the hunt-wa does not either..like it or not its against the law and does not help any cause.And if that kind of action is happening , I'm thinking the amount of breeding pairs might just get raised.

Go ahead believe in the system that has decimated Idaho, Oregon and Washington are next. Having worked with Both sides, (politically correct and the in your face crowd) I can tell you what system I stand behind. Policy is garbage, anyone on here believing that things will be changed by policy might as well sell all your hunting rifles. I've been behind the scenes on the political agenda and they are more about rubbing c*cks together then actually doing something. Tell where is RMEF????SCI?? Conducting polls and putting out bullsh*t 30 second youtube videos that don't represent the true voice of sportsmen. You shell out millions upon millions of dollars to these companies and what do they do to protect their own viability?? Not a dam thing! WISE up the Grey wolf is and always will be foreign and needs to be exterminated, just the like the common house RAT.

Hock

[BIGINNER]

to go view wolves in the wild would require a discovery pass which is $30
deer bear elk and cougar tag $79.20
Which is more money for the state?
Plus if someone would like to view wolves wouldnt they already be viewing wildlife and have a discovery pass?
Where are after the wolves wipe out the elk population and move onto others they will not sell tags for them.
https://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/ so you can check the prices yourself

Last numbers I saw indicate that only 3.7% of the state's population (and decreasing) hunt.  If they can sell a discovery pass to 9.77% of the state (roughly 10% of non-hunters) they make the same amount.

BUT THEN KEEP IN MIND ALL THE MONEY THAT WILL BE TROWN AWAY ON LAWSUITS, DAMAGE COMPESATION, LIVESTOCK/PET DAMAGE/ NO HUNTING= SMALL TOWNS THAT GET AN ECONOMICAL BOOST EVERY HUNTING SEASON WILL SUFFER,..

[sebek556]

jimmy, but you would have to factor in the further loss of the hunting reveune, therefore madatory increase in the sales or price of teh discovery pass.
personal thought without further research -Where if WA would keep wolves out our elk numbers should be higher then idaho's ( at their current rate of decent) in 5 years bringing in out of state hunters at almost 1000 a tag.

[Hockdo7]

BUT THEN KEEP IN MIND ALL THE MONEY THAT WILL BE TROWN AWAY ON LAWSUITS, DAMAGE COMPESATION, LIVESTOCK/PET DAMAGE/ NO HUNTING= SMALL TOWNS THAT GET AN ECONOMICAL BOOST EVERY HUNTING SEASON WILL SUFFER,..
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Small towns are already suffering due to lack of predator control in Oregon, I have family from a small town (800) people, they derive their yearly income during a 1 month period. These towns have already but decimated by the mill closure due to the spotted owl, cut it down any more and you can rename them "GHOST TOWNS"

[pianoman9701]

You guys who're posting that you're going to poach wolves are nuts. It's one thing to have a discussion. It's another altogether to put in writing your intention to break a federal law. In the case of an actual poaching, this site's records can be seized and you can be investigated. This is no small matter. We're talking serious federal money and time. Felony charges with loss of gun rights permanently, hunting privileges, etc. Do what you think you have to do, but broadcasting it to the world is really dumb.

[sebek556]

You guys who're posting that you're going to poach wolves are nuts. It's one thing to have a discussion. It's another altogether to put in writing your intention to break a federal law. In the case of an actual poaching, this site's records can be seized and you can be investigated. This is no small matter. We're talking serious federal money and time. Felony charges with loss of gun rights permanently, hunting privileges, etc. Do what you think you have to do, but broadcasting it to the world is really dumb.

 
plus all it would take is one hugger to bring it in and you would be investagated, state loves people paying fines.

[JimmyHoffa]

Not sure the state is banking on long term and non-government accounts.  Hunters buy ALL KINDS of stuff--trucks (If I didn't hunt, I'd probably get a small car), RVs, quads, etc.  And the timing is usually after the tourist seasons.  My guess is most wildlife watching will be in summer when kids aren't in school.  Hunting hits the small town economies in Fall/early Winter, and fishing usually takes Winter/Spring (in some struggling areas I'm thinking of).  The only amount really paid to the state directly is from passes and licenses, the rest is taxes on the goods and services all of them buy.  My guess is the state probably has some economists running computer models that tell them what gives them the most money overall, not necessarily the residents of the state.