Boycott Cabela's, they are in bed with the tribes in Tulalip !!!!

[wsucowboy]

You've got a good head on your shoulders Pianoman9701

X2.

[Alan K]

Are we opposed to the native rights because we, as sportsman are jealous of what they have and what we want?

Or are we against the native rights because you know for a fact that they actually threaten natural resource sustainability?

I'm opposed to all these ridiculous native rights because they are winning twice.  They get the best of their 'nation' rights, as well as those that the rest of us have. I am for equality for everyone in the U.S., but having these small sects that get the special treatment because their ancestors several generations back were wronged is just asenine. Their disregard for the state's management of fish and wildlife undermines everything that our biologists do.  I don't want to take a half dozen mature bulls and bucks in trophy areas every year.  I don't want anyone to take anything more than what is fair and managed for.

I don't have the means or knowledge alone to do anything about it, so I choose to bitch about it on here. Believe me if there were an organization out there pushing for amending the treaties so that they still get some kickback (but within reason!) I'd be right there backing them up. 

Heck, I'd probably sign up for Washington for Wildlife if they took a hard stance against the ridiculous hunting/fishing rights of the Tribes. 

Oh, and the reason nothing ever gets done about is it that the tribes simply have too much money (generated through exclusive rights in the treaty!).  They keep the public misinformed with zillions of advertizing/marketing dollars, the government on their side through generous campaign donations, and practically a blank check for attorneys to defend the treaty as though it was literally written with today's world in mind.

Good luck fighting that, in the mean time I'll bitch about it on forums and to family and friends.

[jackmaster]

ALAN K for president, ya got my vote sir i can promise you that......

[singleshot12]

I agree ALAN K for pres.!,but he'll never make it, he's way too logical and honest.

We really do need more people tho with the same common sense to help chip away at this bass ackwards system.

[The100Road]

Amen.  ALAN K.

[Armadillo]

The common sense should point the finger at our own government though, not the natives. The government is the acting body the natives merely plunder what they are allowed.

Alan K if you were up for president, so help me, you would get my vote too.

Im not arguing that its right that the natives overharvest game or have the better seasons. Folks just ought to know that our government screws us over by enabling this to happen   

[The100Road]

Like I said before. We know our government isnt going to do anything. Why cant they Tribes take the bull by the horns and change their own ways that they are running their game management?

[bobcat]

My problem isn't with the indians either, it's with our government, for letting them get away with all that they do. The treaties say they have the right to hunt "in common" with us, on open and unclaimed lands. Well, I don't see them doing anything in common with us. They don't follow our seasons, they don't follow our limits, they don't buy hunting licenses and tags like we do. To me, what they are doing is nothing more than poaching. But I don't blame them. They do it because the government lets them.

[grundy53]

My problemisn't with the indians either, it's with our government, for letting them get away with all that they do. The treaties say they have the right to hunt "in common" with us, on open and unclaimed lands. Well, I don't see them doing anything in common with us. They don't follow our seasons, they don't follow our limits, they don't buy hunting licenses and tags like we do. To me, what they are doing is nothing more than poaching. But I don't blame them. They do it because the government lets them.

Well said!

[Alan K]

My problem isn't with the indians either, it's with our government, for letting them get away with all that they do. The treaties say they have the right to hunt "in common" with us, on open and unclaimed lands. Well, I don't see them doing anything in common with us. They don't follow our seasons, they don't follow our limits, they don't buy hunting licenses and tags like we do. To me, what they are doing is nothing more than poaching. But I don't blame them. They do it because the government lets them.

Exactly!

[Alan K]

I have a hard time believing that anyone who has seen the heaps of rotting salmon that was netted and didn't sell same day sits there and thinks about how much they hate our government for letting them do it.  I sit there with my blood boiling thinking about the scumbag who dumped those who felt so entitled and 'right' in wasting them like that. I understand that our own government is to blame for letting them get away with it, but I've still got some serious hate for the guys doing it whether they can or not legally by the treaty.

And the same goes for the elk they just take the heads and back straps of etc.  Pisses my off just thinking about it. 

[bobcat]

Alan, you're right. I DO blame the indians also, for all the poaching they do.

[grundy53]

I have a hard time believing that anyone who has seen the heaps of rotting salmon that was netted and didn't sell same day sits there and thinks about how much they hate our government for letting them do it.  I sit there with my blood boiling thinking about the scumbag who dumped those who felt so entitled and 'right' in wasting them like that. I understand that our own government is to blame for letting them get away with it, but I've still got some serious hate for the guys doing it whether they can or not legally by the treaty.

And the same goes for the elk they just take the heads and back straps of etc.  Pisses my off just thinking about it. 

Me too

[Coastal_native]

Is this a warm up thread in anticipation of the upcoming tribal hunting seasons?...I desperately wanted to comment, so remember this thread was already jacked...plus in my defense the OP was more anti Indian than anti Cabelas.

I'll leave the fishing issue alone, as it's already been litigated, but some of the posts about tribes being a threat to wildlife resources seemed to be a little far fetched...at least from my perspective.  If I was looking at this issue from an outsiders perspective (in determining the limiting factors on big game population sustainability in Washington) I would have a hard time viewing the Tribes "5-10%" of the total harvest as the problem...unless I was a comanager that ignored it, or didn't acknowledge the tribes right to it.  (if you don't have confidence in tribal reporting, then be conservative and use a 30% non reporting...still minimal). 

If I was uninformed...I would probably scrutinize the states westside unlimited branch bull tag sales...unlimited tags, limited resource.  At a glance it seems like poor management, but I can only imagine there is a lot of strategizing that goes into developing a system that maximizes tag sales, but not opportunity.  I get the impression on this forum that most think herd health and hunter success are synonymous...they're not, and both are heavily influenced by the political powers that decided how a resource is going to be utilized.  I think when you say "we are doing it right", you have to understand that an agency might say "we are managing based on science", but remember western science is heavily influenced by politics and those conducting the research can use western science to lead to a pre determined conclusion.  So, if right means "sustainability and managing based wholey on science", I'd say nobody's really doing it right.

Of course I would say this...but I think the treaties are doing what they were intended to do.  The treaty signers weren't trying to "right a wrong" as much as they were trying to protect their reserved rights for future generations.  It's already been hinted at, but to emphasize...the argument that is being used about treaties being outdated and misinterpreted is the same one that is being used to attack your 2nd Amendment.  As for those of you who think NW Indians didn't hunt for recreation or seek out rutting bulls by mimicking there calls should probably do some research.

I would only agree that in some areas of the states tribal hunting decreases the amount of opportunity for trophy animals for state hunters...or if you're on the west side "legal bulls".  I think you'd have a hard time linking that to "Indians are a threat to wildlife populations" if you were in court.  That's why I have mixed feelings about litigation...right now I don't personally think tribes "need" 50% of the elk and deer in this state...we would never come close to filling that quota, although game populations would probably explode as a result.

Oops...I just saw a few more posts....geeeeshhh...sorry for being blunt, but you guys are getting a little one sided with your broad statements, generalizations, and complete disregard for the faults of some of your fellow non natives.


 

[jackmaster]

could i ask a honest question coastal? how do you honestly feel about natives that take way more salmon than what they are gonna use and just discard them where ever thay see fit? if it was a non native then they would be ticketed and lose there fishn rights for a little while. or how do you honestly feel about a native shootn up a heard of elk and only taken the ones they could find and letn the rest lay to rott? because if you feel the way we feel then you would want to fix it, because if you read other threads that have something to do with a non native poaching or taking more than their share then you see that we would be more than happy to hang their butts high...... if your wondering where i came up with my examples then i just want you to know that i have seen it, i am not just making stuff up, the salmon i seen in sumner after a day on the puyallup, and the elk happened in the green river water shed and also up in enumclaw