Hanford Bulls

[PlateauNDN]

[quote author=Bigtine96


   Personally I enjoy the pics that get posted up of these big bulls. I wouldnt otherwise have seen pics of Mr. Mass alive or any of these other studs if not for them. I enjoy any and all pics of big bulls, i even love going to NW Trek just to see em  , big horns are big horns.
 

Shhhhhhh    Dont let this info out. There are big bulls at NW trek and if the Wheelers and Whitefoots find out then they might be tempted to go climb the fence and slaughter the bulls one of these nights. I wouldnt put it past them.
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That would really be pushing it...isn't that place near puyallup?  Really outside of our area maybe the puyallups and muckleshoots?  I wouldn't put it past the Mucks they would probably make up some ancestral excuse if they could?

[Gringo31]

I have a question about hanford.....

If the restriction is due to national security, and the "natives" are a sovereign nation how would this be any different than if Mexico or China was screwing around for whatever reason on Hanford?  This kinda plays into the major gripe I had on the antelope reintroduction.  Great we have antelope here, but to bypass the security laws that are in place across the country to keep our livestock and it's producers safe got me pissy. 

Not sure there is an answer, but it seems to me that at some point there needs to be a line drawn and the gray area removed.  At what point does the liability become too great? 

[Huntbear]

I have a question about hanford.....

If the restriction is due to national security, and the "natives" are a sovereign nation how would this be any different than if Mexico or China was screwing around for whatever reason on Hanford?  This kinda plays into the major gripe I had on the antelope reintroduction.  Great we have antelope here, but to bypass the security laws that are in place across the country to keep our livestock and it's producers safe got me pissy. 

Not sure there is an answer, but it seems to me that at some point there needs to be a line drawn and the gray area removed.  At what point does the liability become too great?

Can we get congress to declare war??   

[Boss .300 winmag]

I have a question about hanford.....

If the restriction is due to national security, and the "natives" are a sovereign nation how would this be any different than if Mexico or China was screwing around for whatever reason on Hanford?  This kinda plays into the major gripe I had on the antelope reintroduction.  Great we have antelope here, but to bypass the security laws that are in place across the country to keep our livestock and it's producers safe got me pissy. 

Not sure there is an answer, but it seems to me that at some point there needs to be a line drawn and the gray area removed.  At what point does the liability become too great?

Can we get congress to declare war??   

We did once, after all said and done we got screwed "Treaties"

[colockumelk]

Plateau thanks for clarifying that stuff for me.  I didn't know you couldnt give the whole animal away to a relative.  Makes me wonder because if I had harvested a deer I had planned on giving the whole thing to my mom since I can shoot five in NY.  Makes me wonder if I would have unknowingly broke the law. 

Again thanks for the info Plateau.  Semper Fi

[PlateauNDN]

Ok I took a little time during lunch to review our regs and per the YN Regs.:

"the sale, trade or barter and/or transport for the purpose of sale, trade, or barter, of non-edible parts of any wildlife lawfully taken by any persons is permitted, except:

(1) velvet antlers of deer or elk; or
(2) gall bladders of black bear"

So the sale of antlers is not illegal as long as they are not in velvet.

[Huntbear]

Ok I took a little time during lunch to review our regs and per the YN Regs.:

"the sale, trade or barter and/or transport for the purpose of sale, trade, or barter, of non-edible parts of any wildlife lawfully taken by any persons is permitted, except:

(1) velvet antlers of deer or elk; or
(2) gall bladders of black bear"

So the sale of antlers is not illegal as long as they are not in velvet.

again.. if these hunts were for food to feed the family.. why not cows or spikes that eat better vs. the biggest bulls on the mtn.  OTHER THAN SELLING THE ANTLERS FOR MONEY!  Because that is what it boils down to with the tribes... the money.... just like the salmon issue.. no one gave a crap until they figured out how much money was in it....

[huntandjeep]

This might be a stupid question but could'nt Hanford or the feds do something about the natives shooting or tresassing on the reserve. It really sucks that they can get away with killing such a great bull. But on the plus side at least we will get to see it in person at the 2012 Central Washington Sportsman show   

[huntnphool]

 Why can't we get F&W to tranque the bulls on the res and saw off the antlers before hunting season.

[Huntbear]

Why can't we get F&W to tranque the bulls on the res and saw off the antlers before hunting season.

now that is one hell of an idea..  would really make things interesting wouldnt it..

[huntnphool]

A couple days to do this would be far cheaper in the long run than hours/days spent investigating/tracking down suspected "poachers/hunters"

[biggdogg]

The bull that was in the pic with the excursion has all ready been sold green scored at 406 from what I've seen in the woods bigger bulls in the woods than that nothing special just big white looking horns my self i would take some of the bulls i have seen pics of on the site over hanford bulls cant beat dark brown horns with ivory tips plus i would eat any elk out of the woods i don't know about the hanford bulls 

[colockumelk]

I dont consider them hunters. Like Plateau said hunting involves fair Chase.  Walking up to practically tame elk is killing not hunting.  I feel the same way about high fence hunting that is killing.  I'm just glad that none of these guys while they have killed some big bulls can NEVER enter their game in the Boone and Crockette or SCI. 

[RUTNBULL1]

I see one way to solve this issue in the area quickly, and unfortunately it's not the elk's fault, but to solve this issue is to remove the main issue of the problem, then you don't have the problem anymore. You won't have land owners using their preference deprivation tags as high priced hunt's at thousand's of dollars, was that the whole intention, no, not for sale, but they do. And if the elk are gone you don't have people or tribal trying to illegally kill them. I know they have tried to in the past trapping and had a very bad success rate/ high mortality among those that were relocated or in the process, but wouldn't it stop part of the arguing and bitch'n who's right and who's wrong. And as I get older it will be harder for me as well as others, but closing roads and limiting access is going to be only one of the tool's we are going to have to proceed with to manage our game and stop a percentage of kill as we please attitude!

[PlateauNDN]

Sad this bull had to die just so some boy could sell them and not appreciate them.  Wonder if he even kept or ate any of the meat and not gave it away because its from hanford.