to the indian netting 8-2

[PlateauNDN]

Now there's a real smart way to ruin your motor, and go to jail when you get caught..Real smart 

Hunterman(Tony)

Looks like somebody before me thought it wasn't smart but hey what do I know right...

Yes its true there are bad apples but then again there are bad apples in every ethnic group and I can say more about others but I'm not going to at this time.  If you dislike indians then just say it and don't beat around the bush.  I'd rather deal with some body being honest and real then fake.  Ill tell you what I'm proud about, the teachings from my great grandmother, grandmother grandfathers , uncles, aunts and father when it comes to our customs and traditions.  Sure a lot of respect and honor has been lost with this younger generation but a few bad apples is not going to bring down the teachings I'm passing down to my children and they will pass down to theirs.  So when you judge us as a whole saying we are all wastefull, a joke or prideless or whatever you want to generalize us as then maybe you really don't want to see a future of cooperation and partnership.  It may take time but there are those of us that want to see change and are not afraid to say it at home and where it matters. 

Again I already stated I wasn't defending or supporting the -ndian that was causing the damage it was his fault all I said was CYA and I'm not the only one who said it.

[birdmanwa]

Now there's a real smart way to ruin your motor, and go to jail when you get caught..Real smart 

Hunterman(Tony)

Looks like somebody before me thought it wasn't smart but hey what do I know right...

Yes its true there are bad apples but then again there are bad apples in every ethnic group and I can say more about others but I'm not going to at this time.  If you dislike indians then just say it and don't beat around the bush.  I'd rather deal with some body being honest and real then fake.  Ill tell you what I'm proud about, the teachings from my great grandmother, grandmother grandfathers , uncles, aunts and father when it comes to our customs and traditions.  Sure a lot of respect and honor has been lost with this younger generation but a few bad apples is not going to bring down the teachings I'm passing down to my children and they will pass down to theirs.  So when you judge us as a whole saying we are all wastefull, a joke or prideless or whatever you want to generalize us as then maybe you really don't want to see a future of cooperation and partnership.  It may take time but there are those of us that want to see change and are not afraid to say it at home and where it matters. 

Again I already stated I wasn't defending or supporting the -ndian that was causing the damage it was his fault all I said was CYA and I'm not the only one who said it.

I don't dislike Indians, I just dislike the way they treat the natural resource in WA. You speak of traditions and such, but really what is the tradition of laying a net across a river and netting the salmon and just taking the roe and leaving the rest for rot. That is not what your ancestors did. No doubt there are bad apples in every race, but the Natives are the ones really rubbing it in our face. There is none or never will be any cooperation with the state, it's not like it would make it better.  As a sovereign nation, you as a whole tribe need to clean up the mess, we can't do anything. If there is I would gladly speak my two cents. I understand there is a treaty, but at least put some use to the fish instead of wasting it. I don't care when the Natives catch fish for the tribe.

[singleshot12]

    They're all bad apples in area 8-2. The tribal netting is out of control this year and yes they do seem to get their jollies from their waste and carnage. They are making all indians look bad.

[birdmanwa]

    They're all bad apples in area 8-2. The tribal netting is out of control this year and yes they do seem to get their jollies from their waste and carnage. They are making all indians look bad.

I will agree with that. 

[longknife]

Now there's a real smart way to ruin your motor, and go to jail when you get caught..Real smart 

Hunterman(Tony)

Looks like somebody before me thought it wasn't smart but hey what do I know right...

Yes its true there are bad apples but then again there are bad apples in every ethnic group and I can say more about others but I'm not going to at this time.  If you dislike indians then just say it and don't beat around the bush.  I'd rather deal with some body being honest and real then fake.  Ill tell you what I'm proud about, the teachings from my great grandmother, grandmother grandfathers , uncles, aunts and father when it comes to our customs and traditions.  Sure a lot of respect and honor has been lost with this younger generation but a few bad apples is not going to bring down the teachings I'm passing down to my children and they will pass down to theirs.  So when you judge us as a whole saying we are all wastefull, a joke or prideless or whatever you want to generalize us as then maybe you really don't want to see a future of cooperation and partnership.  It may take time but there are those of us that want to see change and are not afraid to say it at home and where it matters. 

Again I already stated I wasn't defending or supporting the -ndian that was causing the damage it was his fault all I said was CYA and I'm not the only one who said it.

The hunterman coment, i dont think he realized it was accidental, til it was brought to his attention. I think he thought it was intentional.
If you look in my previous posts, i stated there are respectful natives out there, and deserve respect. Now if you are asking if i dont like indians, well, the local ones no, i dont care for the new generation of waistful, greed, and filth..
Like i said, i had no choice at the time. Am i sorry, HELL NO! Net should have been marked, and was a danger!.
I respect the old school natives! I think they deserve it, no waste, gave back to mother earth and all. But cooperation is needed on both ends, and with the hate from both sides, it is a long way to go, *censored* like this dosent help, but i will not be silenced for anyone!
Especially a native telling me to keep it quiet. Now, i understand your post points of view. I understand to watch whats said, and cover my ass, but i didnt brag, if others say something, so be it.Like on another site, someone posted not to go public on pictures, and reports of mountains of fish, because they cant prove who did it. BS, Im not sweeping it under the rug because it might be a white man. Im sick of it! We all have to pay part to make it better, not one or two apples.

[logger]

For the record I don't care who's net it was. longknife was totally in the right.

[FC]

For the record I don't care who's net it was. longknife was totally in the right.

Same here.

[lokidog]

Now there's a real smart way to ruin your motor, and go to jail when you get caught..Real smart 

Hunterman(Tony)

Looks like somebody before me thought it wasn't smart but hey what do I know right...

Yes its true there are bad apples but then again there are bad apples in every ethnic group and I can say more about others but I'm not going to at this time.  If you dislike indians then just say it and don't beat around the bush.  I'd rather deal with some body being honest and real then fake.  Ill tell you what I'm proud about, the teachings from my great grandmother, grandmother grandfathers , uncles, aunts and father when it comes to our customs and traditions.  Sure a lot of respect and honor has been lost with this younger generation but a few bad apples is not going to bring down the teachings I'm passing down to my children and they will pass down to theirs.  So when you judge us as a whole saying we are all wastefull, a joke or prideless or whatever you want to generalize us as then maybe you really don't want to see a future of cooperation and partnership.  It may take time but there are those of us that want to see change and are not afraid to say it at home and where it matters. 

Again I already stated I wasn't defending or supporting the -ndian that was causing the damage it was his fault all I said was CYA and I'm not the only one who said it.

I don't dislike Indians, I just dislike the way they treat the natural resource in WA. You speak of traditions and such, but really what is the tradition of laying a net across a river and netting the salmon and just taking the roe and leaving the rest for rot. That is not what your ancestors did. No doubt there are bad apples in every race, but the Natives are the ones really rubbing it in our face. There is none or never will be any cooperation with the state, it's not like it would make it better.  As a sovereign nation, you as a whole tribe need to clean up the mess, we can't do anything. If there is I would gladly speak my two cents. I understand there is a treaty, but at least put some use to the fish instead of wasting it. I don't care when the Natives catch fish for the tribe.

Personally I see it from this perspective as well.  It seems to me that the treaties were written so that the natives would be able to continue their lifestyle with subsistence hunting and fishing, not profiteering (taking roe and tossing meat). 

An example I saw a couple weeks ago of them "sticking it in our face" was out off San Juan.  There were probably forty sport fishers out there all morning and then about ten minutes after the tide change, at least eight gill netters dropped their nets perpendicular to EVERYone's troll pattern over about a mile and a half stretch of water in a staggered pattern so that everyone else had to zig and zag and go out of their way to miss the nets.  At least they were all marked. 

Unfortunately, as it is with hunters and fishers in general, it is the bad apples that are the most visible.

[NWBREW]

Here's my take. longknife, you took the only reasonable choice in my opinion. Not marked how are you to know till it's too late.

As for the wasting by tribal...I remember those pics and others like them. Yes, there are bad apples in tribal and non tribal but I believe the core of the problem and ill feelings is How and why can anyone get away with it and it be ok? Tribal or not.

For non tribal it's the WDFW. People must adhere to their rules or pay the price.....and they are pretty strict about that.
The Tribal leaders MUST hold people accountable for actions taken within their tribe, whether its wastage or whatever. This is not happening. A change has to be made from within.....at the top and I don't mean people but the thinking of where this land is at....at this time. It would go a long way down the respect line if the leaders stepped up and said that maybe there should be stricter boundries, accountability. I believe there would more of a willingness to work together...like there should be. It is not my land and it is not your land, It is ours. Now before anyone gets their panties in a wad (sorry run) I am Blackfoot and German......you figure it out. 

...just because it may be legal, doesn't make it right. This is the greatest country in the world and it should be treated with respect......by everybody. just my 

[singleshot12]

   you nailed it!   Unfortunately nothing ever seems to get done until after the fact when salmon runs become very weak.
You would think or would atleast hope other tribes would step forward and be able to do something about it. If tribal officials truly believe in Indian Pride and respect for Mother Earth then this sort of carnage would not be tolerated and something could and would be done.
Legal or not what they are doing is just plain wrong and goes against everything they claim to be. But greed for the all mighty dollar does strange things to people 

[Special T]

I would like you all to think about this for a second... Platau said a while back that of the aprox 10k registered yakimas only abotu 500 are active voting members..  I would guess that the smaller tribes are a lot like living in a small town. Everyone knows each others busines. I think it could be much harder or easier to change things dependand on the majority of the voting tribal members.  I think the more that you make an issue us vs them (not just indian) you gain less ground...  If it is an enforcement issue of an existing law then i think issues need to be pressed. If it an issue of perception, well then that is a choice... If a tribe, or multipal tirbes don't want to fit the steriotype, that is up to them to do something about it.

[runamuk]

  I think the more that you make an issue us vs them (not just indian) you gain less ground... 

I suppose one could say that or one could remember back to us vs them that founded this country if we had taken that attitude we would be under the crown right now. 

Or us vs them when the towers came down we could of sat back and done nothing which is what some want and think is the answer. 

The civil war I am pretty damn sure that was a major case of us vs them maybe we should of skipped that one 

The treaty issues are no different than any other us vs them in history all thats left to find out is the outcome 

 

[sharpeshooter]

I say if Indians want to harvest the way they did back then, take away there guns and give them bows and take away there powerboats and go back to canoes. I don't recall see 200 horse yamahas strapped to canoes back then. All Indians do is whine and say they own everything. You got your casinos.

[White Tornado]

I say if Indians want to harvest the way they did back then, take away there guns and give them bows and take away there powerboats and go back to canoes. I don't recall see 200 horse yamahas strapped to canoes back then. All Indians do is whine and say they own everything. You got your casinos.

The treaties were written and agreed to in a way that seemed right "at that time". Times have changed since then. The way the native peoples harvest fish and game have changed. What they do with the fish and game they harvest has changed as well. The abundance of fish and game have changed dramatically!! It only seems right that the treaties should be changed to reflect the current state of all these changes. The Constitution of the United States has been modified over the years by adding amendments when it seemed necessary. If the Constitution can be modified as time and situation changes, why can't the treaties with the native peoples be modified to better reflect the changing times that we all have to adjust to.  The spirit of these treaties has been broken by the native peoples who no longer fish for sustenance but rather have turned into a commercial fishing group that is unaccountable, disrespectful and wasteful!!!

[Gobble Gobble]

I always like to see the "Natives" selling the net caught fish at the boat launches to us "Immigrated Europeans" when returning empty handed.