nile paper says muck's shot 140+/- deer last weekend?

[Coastal_native]

FC, how do you come up with this stuff?  Do you have some sort of anti-treaty propaganda handbook? Which one of the several known anti treaty organizations do you belong to?  Were you a pre Bolt commercial fisherman?

I'll admit your persuasive writing skills are second to none, but I just don't buy it.  You place 100% of the blame for everything on Indians even if there isn't a need to place blame on anyone, and you do it while admitting that you don't need any concrete evidence.  You say it's true, therefor it's true.  Initially I thought you were ignorant or uninformed, but now I'm convinced you actually have ill intentions.  On top of that, you're just as antagonistic as "little red wagon", you just disguise it with big words and proper English.  The difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying is more than just a disagreement...one of us is full of it.

This is the post I was refering to FC.  I appologize for slandering you.  That post was the product of an emotional reaction. The reason for my frustration is this...Saying that Indians are the reason for the decline of fish and game in Washington is a pretty serious claim, and I think it should come with a little more explanation as to why you think it. There are more things that need considering than the fact that we gill net and harvest multiple animals.  I personally don't believe it, but other people who read this might and most of them are dying for an excuse to believe it anyway.  There are some things that i agree with you on, but not this one.  Keep in mind, I'm  not a fan of commercial fishing either, but I don't come from a fishing family and I don't depend on it for my livliehood.  I also don't see wasted fish where I'm from either.  Our fisherman get every penny out of the fish they catch that they possibly can. 

At any rate, I took a shot at you and you could've fired back, but you didn't.  So, as long as you don't accuse me of "exuding the voice of the entitled" anymore, I'll offer you a fair share of respect.

[colockumelk]

dang colock dont you sleep. arent you on the east coast? well im headed to bed. big day of hoops and football. playing of course. get my but kicked by the twenty year olds.

Heck no bigbulls, old age and tenacity beats youth and enthusiasm any day. Use tbose old man tricks and smoke those kids. 

[boneaddict]

Nice post elkslayer.

Coastal, go take a drive up Hood Canal, and you would understand why there might be some animosity.   Go spend one day in the next two weeks on the Skok.   

[colockumelk]

I think the mucks should hunt the Observatory. Because when the big foot migration came to the Colockum, the elk that didn't get killed off were all pushed to the observatory.  There are so many big bulls and bucks there. Not quite as many as the Blues but its closer. Plus you dont have to deal woth the Blue Mountain Mafia. And Plateau knows tje Observatory really well and i heard he guides people for free all the time.   

[Odell]

You guys have made a good point with the Oregon analogy.  I think consistent punishment would go a long was toward making hunters feel like the system is more equitable. If I rob a bank and bigbulls robs a bank, we would both face the same federal charges.

So if we both poach a bull, we should face the same state charges.

[colockumelk]

 

[krapmit]

Either way, I think it is bs that natives can go out and slaughter animals with high powered rifles. Sure their ancestors hunted there over the course of history, but they created their own broad heads and bows to hunt, ran around bare foot and stocked animals  with in 30 yards for shots. 

It is absolute horse shi* that they can slaughter these animals with high powered rifles..at the very most, they should be allowed these hunting rights with a compound bow, but that is at the very most!

on another not, I have a hard time believing they took 150 deer.  I have a cabin in the nile and have hunted their my whole life and I doubt there is 150 deer in all of the country..Elk on the other hand, I think it is plausible that they took that many elk.

[igotbigbulls]

way to keep  krampit. slaughter. powerfull word. i prefer harvest. thats what i do. with my .270 and my compound bow.

[hughjorgan]

Either way, I think it is bs that natives can go out and slaughter animals with high powered rifles. Sure their ancestors hunted there over the course of history, but they created their own broad heads and bows to hunt, ran around bare foot and stocked animals  with in 30 yards for shots. 

It is absolute horse shi* that they can slaughter these animals with high powered rifles..at the very most, they should be allowed these hunting rights with a compound bow, but that is at the very most!

on another not, I have a hard time believing they took 150 deer.  I have a cabin in the nile and have hunted their my whole life and I doubt there is 150 deer in all of the country..Elk on the other hand, I think it is plausible that they took that many elk.

I can see them taking 130 deer.easily because the article said in the yakima area not just the Nile.

Any one know how they set tribal seasons? Do the tribes even collaborate with wdfw biologists to find out about the health of the herds. It is no secret that deer numbers are down big time in this area and doesn't need added hunting pressure.

[Ddog73]

I think my tribe just shakes that fortune 8 ball then goes from that. 

Sorry I couldn't resist that.  I am not sure if my tribe meets with wdfw bios I can ask Monday. I know they meet with some people from the state but im not sure who is in the meetings.

[boneaddict]

Alot of it has to do with a  difference in attitude.   Such as we as Americans (not sure whether to call them black, hispanic, or white since it applies to all), going to spike only, shortened seasons, limited harvest, etc in order to manage or "protect" the herd, when there appears to be an arrogance about going out and shooting whatever whenever.    Don't tell me there isn't an arrogance either bigbulls.  Even the pm you sent to me had it in it about being able to go and shoot some more elk in the blues.  You guys would be extremely niave to think this wouldn't cause negativity.    Its like walking into a weightwatchers support group with a box of crispy creames and eating all of them.   

As for every thread turning into this, its becasue it is a problem, but since the folks involved won't recognize it, it will probably escalate until something horrible and dumb happens. 

[FC]

You place 100% of the blame for everything on Indians
 

For the damage to many of our runs of fish, yes I do. After seeing  runs disappear within 3-4 years of bank-to-bank fishing with nets.

while admitting that you don't need any concrete evidence. 

By concrete evidence I can only assume you mean studies or perhaps a statistic, such things are so self serving anymore that I know of none that aren't severely slanted, indians are certainly not a cause of this but they do it just the same as everyone else. I seem to remember reading some "study" recently that said we needed just a few hundred (15 breeding pairs or so) of wolves in this state.

Does anyone else here remember the damage done to the king salmon runs on the Samish river some years ago? I do! I got to see nets stretched from bank to bank and pulled down with at least 3 in the water at all times. That river wasn’t worth fishing for years afterward, incidentally after the Indians got booted out of the river too…

Did anyone else here enjoy fishing for the chums on the Skykomish river? We used to be able to catch and release all day, take our limit and go home, now they are illegal to even fish for after (if I remember correctly) 3 years of tribal netting. So much for a sustainable harvest!

Anyone who is familiar with Hood Canal knows better, we have all seen the carcasses stripped of roe left to rot, you mention that every penny is wrung from them. I myself don’t think of salmon as money, I think of them as food.

you're just as antagonistic as "little red wagon", you just disguise it with big words and proper English. 

A trait we share if we are to be truthful here.

I appologize

Apology accepted.

That post was the product of an emotional reaction.

I can understand that.

Saying that Indians are the reason for the decline of fish and game in Washington is a pretty serious claim

Agreed.

There are more things that need considering than the fact that we gill net and harvest multiple animals. 

Agreed again! I never said anything against one type of net over another, my complaint is both how they are employed and the creative math used to figure out what a sustainable catch is where fish are concerned.

Where big game is concerned I take issue with taking multiple animals when hunting off of the rez as well as slaughtering them at feed stations. There really is no better term for this than slaughter either! The worst part is that not only does it seem like nothing but mature bulls and bucks get killed but the act itself pushes animals that are in trouble away from the food they need to survive!

The “enforcement” that takes place in my own experience is a joke! I turned a guy in for netting prior to season at night a few years back, the Gamie sighed and said “I’ve dragged his ass back to his tribe over 70 times in the last year already, they just won’t do anything about it”…Tribal enforcement must not be much of a deterrent I guess? I did see a non-tribal guy get nicked for fishing over the line at Potlatch (near Hoodsport), the tribal cop took all of his gear including his vest and fishing rod. About 75 yards away at the same time there was a couple of Indians with pitchforks filling wheelbarrows with fish and she didn’t say a word.

I also don't see wasted fish where I'm from either.  Our fisherman get every penny out of the fish they catch that they possibly can.   

Again, I’ve never seen salmon as money, I see them as food and when I see piles it would take a D9 cat to move on the beach I see an awful lot of wasted food. Which of us really looks at these fish as a form of their “subsistence” now?

At any rate, I took a shot at you and you could've fired back, but you didn't.  So, as long as you don't accuse me of "exuding the voice of the entitled" anymore, I'll offer you a fair share of respect.

Deal, provided you don’t give me reason No one deserves anything over another in this country due to the color of their skin.

[igotbigbulls]

Its guys like you that continue to stir the pot. I refuse to allow the constant bashing that goes on here by most. I have and will continue to harvest what I need for my family during the season set before me. Just like I imagine you will. Never once have I ever or will ever condone breaking the law. I don't because that's how I was raised. Are you saying its any different for rich people who can buy whatever is flaunting because poor people can't do the same? And your saying because of how or what a person is born into is wrong? Or there fault because its not fair to you?

[igotbigbulls]

Directed at bone

[boneaddict]

I think this is what I said.

its becasue it is a problem, but since the folks involved won't recognize it, it will probably escalate