nile paper says muck's shot 140+/- deer last weekend?

[FC]

Alot of it has to do with a  difference in attitude.   Such as we as Americans (not sure whether to call them black, hispanic, or white since it applies to all), going to spike only, shortened seasons, limited harvest, etc in order to manage or "protect" the herd, when there appears to be an arrogance about going out and shooting whatever whenever.    Don't tell me there isn't an arrogance either bigbulls.  Even the pm you sent to me had it in it about being able to go and shoot some more elk in the blues.  You guys would be extremely niave to think this wouldn't cause negativity.    Its like walking into a weightwatchers support group with a box of crispy creames and eating all of them.   

As for every thread turning into this, its becasue it is a problem, but since the folks involved won't recognize it, it will probably escalate until something horrible and dumb happens.

Very well said Bone.

[Ripper]

None of us were given a choice as to what race, color or creed we were born into. None of us can be held accountable for what our ancestors did. Therefore we should all be treated equally and respect each other as human beings. Until this happens and we all live by the same rules chit like this will never end.

[igotbigbulls]

you also said this-"Its like walking into a weightwatchers support group with a box of crispy creames and eating all of them." read your game management plan-   Elk (Cervus elaphus) have been present in Washington for 10,000 years (McCorquodale 1985,
Dixon and Lyman 1996, Harpole and Lyman 1999)

Elk were hunted regularly but not always extensively, by Indian tribes in both eastern and
western Washington (McCabe 1981). As European settlement expanded into this region, elk
harvest increased dramatically. By the beginning of the 1900s, most if not all of the elk in eastern
Washington had been eliminated. Small populations of Roosevelt elk persisted in southwestern
Washington and on the Olympic Peninsula (Washington Dept. of Fish and Wildlife 2005).

so now its our fault? we ve been hunting here managing game. looks like

[igotbigbulls]

dang computer. looks like game management was fine.

[FC]

so now its our fault?

Yes. There are far more people in this land now and a management effort that is constantly avoided or undone by a few who choose to shoot or fish for what they like, pretty much when they like, report the numbers if they feel like it and then call it management.

[Ddog73]

There is no fault on the non native commercial fisherman. That fish too

[igotbigbulls]

so now its our fault?

Yes. There are far more people in this land now and a management effort that is constantly avoided or undone by a few who choose to shoot or fish for what they like, pretty much when they like, report the numbers if they feel like it and then call it management.

so because there is more of you than us we have to change our hunting rights. yeah right! makes sense that youd want us to give up rights we ve always had so your feelings dont get hurt.

[FC]

so because there is more of you than us we have to change our hunting rights. yeah right! makes sense that youd want us to give up rights we ve always had so your feelings dont get hurt.

It has nothing to do with feelings, it has everything to do with your apparent pride in the rape of OUR resources, not yours and not mine but OUR resources...Get it?

Will you still be proclaiming your "rights" when we are down to the last two salmon or will you be too busy squabbling over who gets the buck and who gets the hen?

There is no fault on the non native commercial fisherman. That fish too

You left out the /sarcasm on that one  I agree, non-tribal nets are a big problem as well BUT they do NOT block off rivers using gillnets at least and they most certainly do NOT leave carcass piles all over the place, wasting the fish.

I fail to understand why you have such an issue with cooperative management on an equal level unless it really is just "all about the Benjamins".

[igotbigbulls]

i dont rape natural resources! i hunt i fish. i gather for my family. plain and simple. leave it alone. some abuse there rights. and they should be held accountable for breaking the law. we ve established that. not against it. im sure youve done your research on the big game in this state and where there are declining herds and where herds are doing fine at management levels. i have too. the game isnt going to disapear.  my tribe has a great management plan with wdfw and odfw. there are bigger issues on how to manage the game populations like prededation. which is definitely making an impact in the alot of areas. i definitley dont want to come of as flaunting the issue that i can harvest multiple animals. bone. wasnt my intention at all. just talking hunting to ya.

[NWBREW]

 
so because there is more of you than us 

That right there says it all. Until it is we....there will always be a problem. WE live here.......not you and us.

[Ddog73]

Fc  I wasn't being sarcastic. So your saying that the conference calls between the tribes and state every friday around 10 am isn't being part of cooperative management?

[Ripper]

Amen NWBREW, you said it all.

[FC]

Fc  I wasn't being sarcastic. So your saying that the conference calls between the tribes and state every friday around 10 am isn't being part of cooperative management?

I bolded a pertinent part you may have missed there.

I fail to understand why you have such an issue with cooperative management on an equal level unless it really is just "all about the Benjamins".

Are you next going to tell me that the tribes in this state cooperate fully and report their harvest with complete transparency?

 
so because there is more of you than us 

That right there says it all. Until it is we....there will always be a problem. WE live here.......not you and us.

You are 100% correct sir.

[Ddog73]

Nah im done with the stuff you post. I know what my tribe shares with the state so ill just leave it with that. Happy hunting.

[FC]

Nah im done with the stuff you post. I know what my tribe shares with the state so ill just leave it with that. Happy hunting.

Sucks to get backed into a corner where the only honest answer there is will burn you huh?