Lighted nocks

[Machias]

I usually agree with you, but not on this one.  I know of a couple of dedicated bowhunters who only bowhunt, during the modern rifle season.  There are also people, like myself who have been bowhunting bears every year.  Archery deer and elk hunters are NOT the only dedicated bowhunters in WA.   

[sebek556]

  also multi season tags are a prime example to not hunting archery for 10 years..

[PolarBear]

The kids and I all voted.

[Kain]

I suggested to Mr Ware that they ought to set their search criteria (easy to do if they wanted) to select only those individuals who had archery hunted both deer and elk for their past ten hunting seasons. That way knowledgeable bowhunters are the ones affecting the rules; people who have put in enough time to know what it is all about.
 
He replied, "...we would be accused of steering the results."
 
Let knowledgeable bowhunters direct bowhunting? I guess that would be too logical...

I hope this is a joke.

I think it is pretty arrogant to believe only deer and elk archery hunters have the right to have an opinion on this.  And even more absurd to believe that you need a minimum of ten years to be a "knowledgeable" bowhunter.  I have always found it to be true that the guy that will claim to be an expert is the one guy to watch out for. 

[PolarBear]

 

[Curly]

Is the reason for not allowing lighten nocks, the fear that a hunter might shoot an animal in the dark?   

[Machias]

Is the reason for not allowing lighten nocks, the fear that a hunter might shoot an animal in the dark?   

If you look there is a thread of about 40 pages that discusses the pros and cons.   

[Curly]

Thanks.  I found the thread.  Some good discussion there.  Don't know how I missed that one.

[Kain]

WDFW WILDLIFE PROGRAM
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
wildthing@dfw.wa.gov

Dear Washington Hunter:

The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is currently in the process of developing hunting seasons for 2012-14. In August, the Department conducted public meetings and an online scoping survey and requested help identifying major issues that are important to address during the next three-year hunting season package. Over 3,000 people participated in the online scoping survey; the results are available on our website at http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/ . We have reviewed the results and comments received and a few of the issues require an additional follow-up survey.

The link below will take you to the follow up survey. The survey is one question and should only take a minute. This is only being sent to hunters that would be regulated by a rule change. The deadline is November 16.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Nocks

Note - depending on what species you hunt for you may receive invitations to participate in multiple surveys. Thank you for your time and your interest in managing Washington's Wildlife.

Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
Wildlife Program 

The problem with this sentence is that it is dishonest.  This survey was only sent to deer and elk archery hunters.  MANY others will be regulated by this change.  Dave Ware is exactly right they are trying to steer the votes.  Maybe some see that as good and others as bad but lets at least be honest about it.   

[Lowedog]

WDFW WILDLIFE PROGRAM
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
wildthing@dfw.wa.gov

Dear Washington Hunter:

The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is currently in the process of developing hunting seasons for 2012-14. In August, the Department conducted public meetings and an online scoping survey and requested help identifying major issues that are important to address during the next three-year hunting season package. Over 3,000 people participated in the online scoping survey; the results are available on our website at http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/ . We have reviewed the results and comments received and a few of the issues require an additional follow-up survey.

The link below will take you to the follow up survey. The survey is one question and should only take a minute. This is only being sent to hunters that would be regulated by a rule change. The deadline is November 16.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Nocks

Note - depending on what species you hunt for you may receive invitations to participate in multiple surveys. Thank you for your time and your interest in managing Washington's Wildlife.

Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
Wildlife Program 

The problem with this sentence is that it is dishonest.  This survey was only sent to deer and elk archery hunters.  MANY others will be regulated by this change.  Dave Ware is exactly right they are trying to steer the votes.  Maybe some see that as good and others as bad but lets at least be honest about it.

Not true, I received it and I didn't purchase an archery tag for either deer or elk.  I do have a multi-season deer tag though. 

[Snapshot]

I usually agree with you, but not on this one.  I know of a couple of dedicated bowhunters who only bowhunt, during the modern rifle season.  There are also people, like myself who have been bowhunting bears every year.  Archery deer and elk hunters are NOT the only dedicated bowhunters in WA.   

And that is why you are on my Christmas list, Machias.  Of course there are some, like you, who buy the modern tag so that you can bowhunt during the modern season's time frame. But unless the harvest report asks what type of weapon was used the WDFW would have no way of knowing that you are a bowhunter. I have not bought a modern tag in the twenty-nine years I've lived in this state so I don't know what the report form asks, so I have to ask you: does the modern weapon reporting form ask the question of weapon type? Or do your bow kills go into the tally of modern weapons harvest?

And does the bear reporting form ask the same question?

[Snapshot]

I suggested to Mr Ware that they ought to set their search criteria (easy to do if they wanted) to select only those individuals who had archery hunted both deer and elk for their past ten hunting seasons. That way knowledgeable bowhunters are the ones affecting the rules; people who have put in enough time to know what it is all about.
 
He replied, "...we would be accused of steering the results."
 
Let knowledgeable bowhunters direct bowhunting? I guess that would be too logical...

I hope this is a joke.

I think it is pretty arrogant to believe only deer and elk archery hunters have the right to have an opinion on this.  And even more absurd to believe that you need a minimum of ten years to be a "knowledgeable" bowhunter.  I have always found it to be true that the guy that will claim to be an expert is the one guy to watch out for. 

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, Kain, because I don't understand why someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight should be able to permanently affect the rules of the endeavor of archery hunting. It is by its very nature supposed to be hard and a change like this is just a move to make it easier.

[Machias]

I usually agree with you, but not on this one.  I know of a couple of dedicated bowhunters who only bowhunt, during the modern rifle season.  There are also people, like myself who have been bowhunting bears every year.  Archery deer and elk hunters are NOT the only dedicated bowhunters in WA.   

And that is why you are on my Christmas list, Machias.  Of course there are some, like you, who buy the modern tag so that you can bowhunt during the modern season's time frame. But unless the harvest report asks what type of weapon was used the WDFW would have no way of knowing that you are a bowhunter. I have not bought a modern tag in the twenty-nine years I've lived in this state so I don't know what the report form asks, so I have to ask you: does the modern weapon reporting form ask the question of weapon type? Or do your bow kills go into the tally of modern weapons harvest?

And does the bear reporting form ask the same question?

I don't believe they ask what type of weapon was used in the harvest.  Awesome, I'm on at least one Christmas list!!!   

[rooselk]

I voted. 

And I also voted with my feet in that I decided not to renew my Washington State Bowhunters membership. I am a former board member but now want no part of the organization so long as it has a board member that refuses to uphold the principles WSB was founded upon.

[Kain]

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, Kain, because I don't understand why someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight should be able to permanently affect the rules of the endeavor of archery hunting. It is by its very nature supposed to be hard and a change like this is just a move to make it easier.

That is the problem we dont know who does or doesnt archery hunt just from what tag they buy.  Cougars have had an archery season for a couple years now, did everyone that bought a cougar tag get the survey?  And all other game allows archery hunting so limiting it to just deer and elk does not represent everyone.  My problem with your statement was more to do with deer and elk hunters only and ten year="knowledgeable" hunter and everyone else has no right to have their opinion counted. 

I really dislike this user group division that the department and some hunters keep pushing on everyone.  I consider myself a hunter NOT an archery hunter or rifle hunter.  I have hunted for 25 years.  Most of those years I hunted deer and elk with archery equipment.  My dad is having a hard time drawing his bow back anymore and we have discussed switching to muzzleloader.  If I do that does that mean I shouldnt have my vote counted anymore?  If I have not hunted archery every season for the last ten years does that mean Im not knowledgeable and should just be dictated to by those that "know what its all about"?  Give me a break.