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[CP]

What do think?

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[Widgeondeke]

I think they need another option - similar to Cali

They are only allowed during part of the season 

[Crispy]

It's one less expensive thing I have to buy 

[Mr56Jeep]

I say let'em in.  No reason not to.  If you don't like'em.... Don't use'em.

In the wrong hands, they flair birds just like a duck call does in the wrong hands.  They ain't magic.

[seth30]

Just more trash people will leave after a hunt

[Widgeondeke]

Honestly I don't want an electric wing. I would like to be able to use my quiver magnets.   

[pianoman9701]

I've never used one, but i would. If they make them for geese, that would definitely help the spread.

[Skagit_Hunter]

They suk! but quivers are the cats azz

[Madison]

I would prefer no electronic decoys at all.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I would prefer no electronic decoys at all.

   

[TwoFeet]

Absolutely no way they should allow those damn things back...  Just makes for a bunch of guys that don't know how to hunt shoot more birds.  I think it's pretty unethical, and a line that shouldn't be crossed (again). 

[TwoFeet]

I respectfully disagree with the lighted nocks analogy.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a lighted nock more of a post shot retrieval asset?

I guess I can understand the whole technology arguement...I mean, it's not like a hundred years ago guys were shooting with 50mm 20x scopes killing deer from a "mile" out, yet we do it today.

In my humble opinion, I just don't think it's ethical, or fair chase, to be using something motorized to trick birds.  I just think a guy should learn how to read wind, area, and tailor his spread accordingly. 

[Mr56Jeep]

I respectfully disagree with the lighted nocks analogy.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a lighted nock more of a post shot retrieval asset?

I guess I can understand the whole technology arguement...I mean, it's not like a hundred years ago guys were shooting with 50mm 20x scopes killing deer from a "mile" out, yet we do it today.

In my humble opinion, I just don't think it's ethical, or fair chase, to be using something motorized to trick birds.  I just think a guy should learn how to read wind, area, and tailor his spread accordingly.

Maybe we should do it like they hunted in the old days?  You know, with lead, live ducks for decoys, sink boxes and unlimited diameter bore guns?

I don't buy it. Leagalize them. Just another tool to use. They are worthless in the wrong hands just like a duck call or a shot gun for that matter.

[TwoFeet]

I respectfully disagree with the lighted nocks analogy.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a lighted nock more of a post shot retrieval asset?

I guess I can understand the whole technology arguement...I mean, it's not like a hundred years ago guys were shooting with 50mm 20x scopes killing deer from a "mile" out, yet we do it today.

In my humble opinion, I just don't think it's ethical, or fair chase, to be using something motorized to trick birds.  I just think a guy should learn how to read wind, area, and tailor his spread accordingly.

Maybe we should do it like they hunted in the old days?  You know, with lead, live ducks for decoys, sink boxes and unlimited diameter bore guns?

I don't buy it. Leagalize them. Just another tool to use. They are worthless in the wrong hands just like a duck call or a shot gun for that matter.

I think your arguement lacks fundamental logic Jeep...  I think most knowledgeable waterfowlers would agree that they are a significant advantage, and thus outlawed.

[Whitenuckles]

I respectfully disagree with the lighted nocks analogy.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a lighted nock more of a post shot retrieval asset?

I guess I can understand the whole technology arguement...I mean, it's not like a hundred years ago guys were shooting with 50mm 20x scopes killing deer from a "mile" out, yet we do it today.

In my humble opinion, I just don't think it's ethical, or fair chase, to be using something motorized to trick birds.  I just think a guy should learn how to read wind, area, and tailor his spread accordingly.

Well said

[drk9988]

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[Mr56Jeep]

I respectfully disagree with the lighted nocks analogy.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a lighted nock more of a post shot retrieval asset?

I guess I can understand the whole technology arguement...I mean, it's not like a hundred years ago guys were shooting with 50mm 20x scopes killing deer from a "mile" out, yet we do it today.

In my humble opinion, I just don't think it's ethical, or fair chase, to be using something motorized to trick birds.  I just think a guy should learn how to read wind, area, and tailor his spread accordingly.

Maybe we should do it like they hunted in the old days?  You know, with lead, live ducks for decoys, sink boxes and unlimited diameter bore guns?

I don't buy it. Legalize them. Just another tool to use. They are worthless in the wrong hands just like a duck call or a shot gun for that matter.

I think your arguement lacks fundamental logic Jeep...  I think most knowledgeable waterfowlers would agree that they are a significant advantage, and thus outlawed.

Thats where I think you're wrong.... They ain't that good.  There is a perception you just flip the switch and the ducks funnel in.

Understand, I don't have any interest in owning one myself.  I'm opposed to additional legislation without biologic foundation.  The ban was instated 10 years ago and had nothing to do with biology or over harvest.  It was a decision of imposed ethics by some crusty old guys that didn't want to use them.... so they figured no one else should either.

How about an auto loader shot gun?  Being able to pull the trigger 3 times in a row without reloading or anything?  Most knowledgeable waterfowlers would agree that they are a significant advantage, and thus should be outlawed?  Make it a "Single shot" or even a muzzle loader sport and I'd still kill a grip of ducks.

Why stop at electronic decoys?  Outlaw them all?  Most knowledgeable waterfowlers would agree that plastic, wood and cork decoys are a significant advantage, and thus should be outlawed?  This would effect me but I do a lot of jump shooting and I'd still kill ducks.

Ethics in hunting is very important.  Legislating ethics is a slippery road.  I say pass game laws on sound biology.  I don't agree with the ethics argument.

And why is it legal to use electronics for doves?  Is that some how more ethical or is it less of a "significant advantage"?

[Justin7mm]

let them in. jerk cords, wind ducks, speedo ducks, and kites are all in use already. Other states and provinces use electronics so the birds see them elsewhere.  When they first came out if you had a motion decoy the birds fell from the sky to visit your spread, but they get educated to them just like everything else.

[Skagit_Hunter]

Lighted nocks have no tactical advantage....They are more ethical because on alot of pass thoughs your arrow isn't always in a dirrect line. Your arrow tells the story of your shot. finding it is important.

electric spinners are for slob hunters

[TwoFeet]

Really good points Jeep.  As I previously stated, these are merely my opinions.  I've formed them over 20 years hunting here in the great state of WA, and the fact that I'm only 32 precludes me from the "crusty old guys club."

You can say what you want, but there is simply no way some Roboduck doesn't pull birds 5-1 over a normal spread on a calm (windless) day out on the bay or fields.

We can all talk semantics until we're out of breath, but there is no way our gov letting electronics back in.  Plain and simple.

[ghosthunter]

Well i got one that floated like a regular deke with a flipper on its back for Christmas. I used till the season ended in middle of January than they out lawed them. They are no different than the wind ones we have now. The ducks figure it out after a few times. And they are in use a lot of other places. What i do not want them to do is bring them back and cut the season or bag. If that is the choice leave it the way it is. Or we will be hunting waterfowl like we do deer. Too early and too short of season.

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

The only problem I see is that everyone will use them and they won't be as effective.  I know when I use a pull string, I typically have a great day and the days I don't, the guy down the river that has one has a good day.  Maybe cause they aren't as easy to come buy is why the pull strings are so effective.  I think if everyone can buy a electronic decoys then they won't give your spread the added appeal over the guy with just regular decoys.  Who knows though.  I voted yea bring them back, but I hope it won't ruin their effectiveness.

[Skagit_Hunter]

"crusty old guys club."

That me... Way before neos, Decoys you pull the red plug in the butt and blew them up....Waxed paper shells... need more LOL
you shot your limit...if it flys it dies. no hen, pintail limit. hell I have shot once and had a full limit of pins with one shot. (lead #6)
thats when you had 2 3/4 only.
All these spinner bs is just that. Birds are not dumb. they learn every time I come near one I get shot at. I use a winduk early in the morning before LST to just after. If I dont limit in the first 10 mins. when the sun rises it get taken down. If you need a spinner full time your doing something wrong. Scout and find where birds want to be.
Calm days on the wet side, all the spinners in the world wont pull them off the bays....Go home!!!
I dont care if they make them legal again or not BFD.....
what I care about is the season lenth and limits.
 

[NWWABOWHNTR]

I respectfully disagree with the lighted nocks analogy.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a lighted nock more of a post shot retrieval asset?

I In my humble opinion, I just don't think it's ethical, or fair chase, to be using something motorized to trick birds.  I just think a guy should learn how to read wind, area, and tailor his spread accordingly.

According to Pope and Young rules of fair chase, lighted nocks are illegal... so electronics on a bow are ethical but electronic decoys are not? 

[NWWABOWHNTR]

Lighted nocks have no tactical advantage....They are more ethical because on alot of pass thoughs your arrow isn't always in a dirrect line. Your arrow tells the story of your shot. finding it is important.

electric spinners are for slob hunters

Bright colored fletchings and a reflective wrap... or even if you want lighted nocks, there is a company selling non-electronic lit nocks which are legal!  If you can't find your arrow on a pass through how could you ever follow a blood trail?  nMaybe you should get a GPS tracker in your nock and shoot to not get a pass through, then you could track your animal too?

[Mr56Jeep]

"crusty old guys club."

That me... Way before neos, Decoys you pull the red plug in the butt and blew them up....Waxed paper shells... need more LOL
you shot your limit...if it flys it dies. no hen, pintail limit. hell I have shot once and had a full limit of pins with one shot. (lead #6)
thats when you had 2 3/4 only.
All these spinner bs is just that. Birds are not dumb. they learn every time I come near one I get shot at. I use a winduk early in the morning before LST to just after. If I dont limit in the first 10 mins. when the sun rises it get taken down. If you need a spinner full time your doing something wrong. Scout and find where birds want to be.
Calm days on the wet side, all the spinners in the world wont pull them off the bays....Go home!!!
I dont care if they make them legal again or not BFD.....
what I care about is the season lenth and limits.

Amen brother!!

[Skagit_Hunter]

ALL THIS TALK IS BS. THE STATE DOESN'T GIVE BACK. THEY SCREWED US BOW HUNTERS...HAVE WE GOT ANYTHING BACK 
IF I CAN'T USE LUMINOCKS OR MECHANICALS. THERE IS NO WAY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE ELECTRIC ANYTHING!! FOR ANY HUNTING... INCLUDING PREDATOR CALLS.......
BRING BACK BAITING BEARS.... AND RUNNING CATS WITH DOGS.....AIN'T HAPPENING.... THE TRIBES OF THIS STATE RUN IT. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

[Mr56Jeep]

Electronic decoys are not needed, not if you can call worth a dang.. and know how to set decoys correctly.  I agree with the scouting also.. put in the time.

There is a lot of stuff that isn't needed. Should we out law it all?

[h2ofowlr]

My turn.     Let the guys use what they want.  The money helps support the waterfowl industry and hunting industry in general.  If you don't want to use them, you have that choice.  Currently we don't have the option of using them.  I like options and lots of them.  Watching the birds work and making the correct changes is what can rewards you with fun and limits of birds.  With that said some don't care about reaching a limit, so let's not go there.  I enjoy shooting them, but that's me.  I have traveled various states hunting birds and have had the opportunity to use electronic decoys in recent season where it was legal and there can be a big difference in landing the birds vs. not.  Lots of factors come to play, flyways, out of the flyway, high pressure zone, little pressure, private vs. public, planted vs. natural.  We get to experience all these situations, so not all setting are equal.  Electronics can help you suck the birds down and have closer shots.  I’ve done it enough times and personally experienced the results.  Stick 3-4 motion decoys in a spread with two or three spinners and have ducks landing on them with virtually no calling.  As it is I have various tricks I use that work great that are not mechanical or battery operated.  You’re pretty much good to always go using a jerk cord if the birds aren’t seeing the cord or the movement of it.  If you haven’t had the opportunity to use electric decoys and still an optimist, then don’t worry about it.  The old fashion way still works.  I just don’t enjoy riding a spot all day for a limit.  Quick hunts, lets the birds rests and provided quality hunting over a long period of time.  Good luck.

[Madison]

yes when every dip*censored* in the world can place 5 spinners in a spread and kill birds.  they will get a lot of permanent rest.

[Mr56Jeep]

yes when every dip*censored* in the world can place 5 spinners in a spread and kill birds.  they will get a lot of permanent rest.

Not sure what your point is?  You afraid someone else might kill more birds than you?

[h2ofowlr]

yes when every dip*censored* in the world can place 5 spinners in a spread and kill birds.  they will get a lot of permanent rest.

Give those that want to, an option.  You don't have to use them.  What are you trying to say?  Permanent rest?  Canada and most states allow them.  Oregon and Washington don't allow them unless your hunting the reservations.  Just because you could use spinners doesn't mean they will always work.  Shakers and wave making decoys are nice.  The dog doesn't tangle in them like some jerk cords.

[Mackerson]

I think both sides make good arguments.  The motorized ducks work good but they aren't the best thing that I have ever used to lure weary ducks in.  After they banned the motorized ducks I started using snatch lines to make motion in the decoys and I think it was more effective.  I ran lines from the blind out under the water to something that i sunk that had a handle or eyelet on it and then ran the line up to the decoys.  When I would pull the line it would make the decoys dive like they were feeding.  It worked great and because the lines were sunk the dogs wouldn't get tangled in them.  The bottom line is that motorized decoys won't make you kill ducks, its all the other little details.  Just my 

[goober]

I've never used one, but i would. If they make them for geese, that would definitely help the spread.

Geese hate them!

[goober]

You guys are missing one very important point. How many pull strings can you operate? One or two. How many electric spinners can you operate? AS MANY AS YOU WANT!. Do you think guys will stop at one, two or three? I've seen unreal numbers of spinners used in spreads in other states. While birds do get smarter, they still come to within 70/80 yds and we all know that there are plenty of guys that think that this is close enough for 3.5" shells. Do yourselves a favor and vote against them. we can always work on getting the magnets back in separate legislation, but you will regret the electric spinners.

[DuckDr.Duke]

I remember when they were legal. I watch some guys turn some northern mallards with them once and they just funnel into them it was awesome. Then the next year they were outlaw and I bought the Winduk, its pretty good. They should bring them back.