Did someone smoke a couple wolves in the Teanaway?

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Your comment suggests that the only people who have influence on the public are the antis. That's total BS and if it were true, we'd have already lost all of our hunting rights. It's not true. You're only correct about the public's perception when you refuse to temper your written and spoken word in public. We still have the public's support of hunting but extremist rhetoric voiced publicly will change that over time.

Amen brother!

[huntnphool]

There are some on here that think these wolves traveled from Canada and Idaho.  I cannot confirm nor deny that.  Others feel that the government released them or anti hunters had something to do with it.

I found this comment very interesting from this article.

"It knocks my socks off that we have a breeding pair this far from our other documented packs," said Anthony Novack, a carnivore biologist with Fish and Wildlife.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015516994_wolves06m.html

The state, nor the feds have released any wolves into WA. Period. We have documentation, we have letters from both.

  so what you are saying it is out of the realm of possibility for them to lie? I seem to remember a statement from as high as it goes, our commander n chief, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

 I'm not saying for a fact that they planted wolves but if you are naive enough to think your "letters" prove they didn't then i think you need a dose of reality. If the POTUS can lie to us, surely WDFW can as well.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

There are some on here that think these wolves traveled from Canada and Idaho.  I cannot confirm nor deny that.  Others feel that the government released them or anti hunters had something to do with it.

I found this comment very interesting from this article.

"It knocks my socks off that we have a breeding pair this far from our other documented packs," said Anthony Novack, a carnivore biologist with Fish and Wildlife.

Considering the documented wolf that just made it to California, it isn't beyond the realm of belief that a breeding pair could be that far from other documented packs. There may be more than one wolf in Cal, this one could have been traveling with other non radio collared wolves, or other non collared wolves may have gone there before now or soon after, and they may have a breeding pair before they know it.

[pianoman9701]

There are some on here that think these wolves traveled from Canada and Idaho.  I cannot confirm nor deny that.  Others feel that the government released them or anti hunters had something to do with it.

I found this comment very interesting from this article.

"It knocks my socks off that we have a breeding pair this far from our other documented packs," said Anthony Novack, a carnivore biologist with Fish and Wildlife.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015516994_wolves06m.html

The state, nor the feds have released any wolves into WA. Period. We have documentation, we have letters from both.

  so what you are saying it is out of the realm of possibility for them to lie? I seem to remember a statement from as high as it goes, our commander n chief, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

 I'm not saying for a fact that they planted wolves but if you are naive enough to think your "letters" prove they didn't then i think you need a dose of reality. If the POTUS can lie to us, surely WDFW can as well.

I'm saying it's extremely unlikely they'd lie, yes. They have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by releasing wolves on the sly. Bill Clinton was elected by the people and couldn't be fired, especially because the majority kept voting for him. If these guys go outside the structured plan and NEPA, they're screwed and would be fired. Look for problems elsewhere with the plan. Barking up this tree is a waste of your time and tin foil hat stuff.

[haugenna]

There are some on here that think these wolves traveled from Canada and Idaho.  I cannot confirm nor deny that.  Others feel that the government released them or anti hunters had something to do with it.

I found this comment very interesting from this article.

"It knocks my socks off that we have a breeding pair this far from our other documented packs," said Anthony Novack, a carnivore biologist with Fish and Wildlife.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015516994_wolves06m.html

The state, nor the feds have released any wolves into WA. Period. We have documentation, we have letters from both.

  so what you are saying it is out of the realm of possibility for them to lie? I seem to remember a statement from as high as it goes, our commander n chief, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

 I'm not saying for a fact that they planted wolves but if you are naive enough to think your "letters" prove they didn't then i think you need a dose of reality. If the POTUS can lie to us, surely WDFW can as well.

I'm saying it's extremely unlikely they'd lie, yes. They have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by releasing wolves on the sly. Bill Clinton was elected by the people and couldn't be fired, especially because the majority kept voting for him. If these guys go outside the structured plan and NEPA, they're screwed and would be fired. Look for problems elsewhere with the plan. Barking up this tree is a waste of your time and tin foil hat stuff.

Lets not forget Fast and Furious.  Seems like the higher the chain of command, the more cover up goes on.  I don't trust antis or the US Fish and wildlife for a minute.  They are shoving this crap down our throats.  I was at the meeting in and Olympia and their so called "facts"  were all bull$hit or "lies". 

[GrainfedMuley]

There are some on here that think these wolves traveled from Canada and Idaho.  I cannot confirm nor deny that.  Others feel that the government released them or anti hunters had something to do with it.

I found this comment very interesting from this article.

"It knocks my socks off that we have a breeding pair this far from our other documented packs," said Anthony Novack, a carnivore biologist with Fish and Wildlife.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015516994_wolves06m.html

The state, nor the feds have released any wolves into WA. Period. We have documentation, we have letters from both.

  so what you are saying it is out of the realm of possibility for them to lie? I seem to remember a statement from as high as it goes, our commander n chief, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

 I'm not saying for a fact that they planted wolves but if you are naive enough to think your "letters" prove they didn't then i think you need a dose of reality. If the POTUS can lie to us, surely WDFW can as well.

I'm saying it's extremely unlikely they'd lie, yes. They have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by releasing wolves on the sly. Bill Clinton was elected by the people and couldn't be fired, especially because the majority kept voting for him. If these guys go outside the structured plan and NEPA, they're screwed and would be fired. Look for problems elsewhere with the plan. Barking up this tree is a waste of your time and tin foil hat stuff.

Lets not forget Fast and Furious.  Seems like the higher the chain of command, the more cover up goes on.  I don't trust antis or the US Fish and wildlife for a minute.  They are shoving this crap down our throats.  I was at the meeting in and Olympia and their so called "facts"  were all bull$hit or "lies".

+1,   Do not believe ANYTHING big brother tries to tell you. Question everything they say. Federal, State, and local.         

[bearpaw]

I think most of these guys are just having fun joking around.

But I hope none of these over-sensitive Washington people go to Idaho, the people are not joking around over there.

People over there are shooting wolves year around and proud of it. But then they have been living with them for 15 years and have lost jobs and businesses due to wolves. I am pretty sure I remember the Idaho governor issuing a rule that IDFG could not respond to wolf shootings, the feds have to handle it. Is that right?

Log back into this forum or any WA livestock website in 5 to 10 years, it will be interesting to see the comments after wolves further populate and start impacting more people and herds in this state. 

[huntnphool]

Log back into this forum or any WA livestock website in 5 to 10 years, it will be interesting to see the comments after wolves further populate and start impacting more people and herds in this state. 

 Not to worry Dale, I was at the meetings and heard it directly out of their mouths, "They don't anticipate the same problems here in Washington that Idaho, Montana and Wyoming had."

[hunt4]

I remember the Idaho governor issuing a rule that IDFG could not respond to wolf shootings, the feds have to handle it. Is that right?

on the money

They don't anticipate the same problems here in Washington that Idaho, Montana and Wyoming had."

No they should expect it to be worse ? sure the hell cant be less?

[bearpaw]

Log back into this forum or any WA livestock website in 5 to 10 years, it will be interesting to see the comments after wolves further populate and start impacting more people and herds in this state. 

 Not to worry Dale, I was at the meetings and heard it directly out of their mouths, "They don't anticipate the same problems here in Washington that Idaho, Montana and Wyoming had."

I would have to agree in one respect, since our herds are not as big as the Rocky Mountain states, we can't lose as many elk, deer, and moose. But that means the wolves will be eating more of McIrvin's (and other ranchers) beef sooner than later..... 

How I would love to start translocating wolves to downtown Seattle and give those liberal huggers a taste of wolf recovery.... 

[GrainfedMuley]

Oh, but what would I do with "Muffy"? I have to keep my little ankle bitter safe.............

[pianoman9701]

+1,   Do not believe ANYTHING big brother tries to tell you. Question everything they say. Federal, State, and local.         
[/quote]

I have a great mistrust in government, and I've been walked through the steps necessary to comply with NEPA. I don't believe that the state or the feds are stupid enough to import wolves without going through the steps.

You seem to think I'm supporting what our government has done with the wolf plan. Anyone who's been active in the fight knows differently. I think the plan is irresponsible and will hurt our hunting opportunities. I also think that with wolves migrating on their own, the government's targets will be reached in a very short time without circumventing the plan, probably within 5 years. They don't need to circumvent. These critters will populate on their own very fast. As far as private individuals releasing animals is concerned, I would not put it past them.

[Deep Forks]

Log back into this forum or any WA livestock website in 5 to 10 years, it will be interesting to see the comments after wolves further populate and start impacting more people and herds in this state. 

 Not to worry Dale, I was at the meetings and heard it directly out of their mouths, "They don't anticipate the same problems here in Washington that Idaho, Montana and Wyoming had."

It's going to be worse.

[nwwanderer]

The WDFW simply does not have the money, manpower or expertise to do the job.  At a prowolf meeting in Yakima last November the agency reps were just beside themselves that they had a problem now since they had 'planned' for 2020 or after.  The Oregon video applies to Washington very will.  Similar rules, similar problems and similar agency attitude.  This is not a problem that will wipe out our interests and  ag industries but individuals and specific areas are starting to get hammered.  It will expand and increase.  Be aware and help any time you can.

[Kain]

I have not read every post here but saw some talk of reintroduction plans in WA.  There absolutely was talk of introducing wolves in WA but amazingly it was not implemented. 

http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/org_nws/NWSci%20journal%20articles/2004%20files/Special%20issue/v78special%20p1%20Ratti%20et%20al.PDF

Although we concluded that reintroduction of wolves to the Park is feasible for establishment of a marginally viable population, we cautioned that such action may not be prudent. That is, we predicted substantial negative political social and financial consequences.  Key concerns included potential loss of some isolated and culturally important elk herds negative reactions to wolves expressed by local residents and sports persons concerns regarding livestock and pet depredation, and long term funding of an appropriate wolf management program.

Funny how they ignored all of this later.