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Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« on: January 27, 2012, 08:51:47 AM »
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/what-cheats-alaska-hunters-more-moose-wolves-and-bears-or-insects-and-hares?page=0,0

Predator/prey relationships are complex. It's more like algebra instead of simple addition and subtraction.
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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2012, 09:37:57 AM »
It was interesting to me that this article didn't once list man as a predator. Why isn't man's role as predator as beneficial to the moose population as the wolf, grizzly, or coyote? This is one of the problems that I have with wolf advocates; they don't consider man as a beneficial game management tool or as a natural predator, at all. I also don't see the evidence that Dr. Stringham's theory that wolves will feed on hares when available instead of moose is proven. Just because there are more hares doesn't mean they're the preferred diet. It is well known in the scientific community that hares and rabbits don't contain enough fat for long term sustenance. You will starve to death if you only eat rabbits and hares. I would suggest that there is no proven correlation shown here between rabbit/hare populations and wolf predation on the moose.

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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2012, 09:47:37 AM »
Here we go again... Wolves only kill the sick and weak, more wolves to eat rabbits to increase feed. What? Comparing me with cancer treatment to EXTERMINATING predators is freaking ridiculous. Your pro wolf posts are getting old and should be taken to the HSUS site. You might feel more at home there. Seems to me you just like to  :stirthepot:.

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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 09:52:30 AM »
Man is not listed or talked about as a predator, because these things are done by Vegans and Tofu eating crackpots!  Besides, if most had their way, man would not inhabit the planet, just animals, because man is destructive in their minds......   They are no so much Animal lovers, as human haters...
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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 09:58:10 AM »
your article is just as one sided as you are sitka  :liar:

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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 10:03:52 AM »
I wasn't trying to turn this into a bash Sitka thread. I was trying to point out the inconsistencies and unsupported claims of the author. I do agree this article is one-sided in favor of wolves. It seems kind of silly to do so because wolves in AK are not only at close to or at carrying capacity in most areas, but have been for a long time. There's a reason you can kill 5 of them without a license.
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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2012, 10:11:00 AM »
From what i have heard is that Wolves in AK are like coyotes here is WA. They are everywhere, and you could kill as many as you wan't an not really affect the population.  :twocents:
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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2012, 01:39:18 PM »
Sitka just needed some time to study up and prepare new arguments. I would like to see some bio that actually enjoyed hunting writing up a big paper and getting it published though. Even better would be someone that researches without an agenda once in a while. Kind of like how science used to supposed to be.
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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2012, 07:03:23 PM »
The only solution for Sitka is to put him on ignore like I did....  :tup:
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2012, 07:06:14 PM »
He is a red star hyprocrite, and should be banned from the site. >:(
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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2012, 07:42:15 PM »
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Contrary to what some people might think, asking this question isn’t some kind of Liberal plot to trick Alaskans into sacrificing our traditional lifestyle as hunters. Just the opposite. It’s a “plot” to save our lifestyle.

I beleive he mentions in the 4th paragraph that humans are and will continue to be predators. He also uses language leading one to beleive he himself is a hunter. Hnestly people you have to read more than the first 1 or 2 paragraphs!! Thanks Sitka that was a great read. Are you the author or just found it online?

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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2012, 07:55:30 PM »
The first thing I noticed the story was written by some Dr Stephen F. Stringham, so I did a google search, looks to me like the guy is just another biologist hugger with an agenda that's in love with predators....  :chuckle:


Dr. Stephen F. Stringham, PhD
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Sept 86-   President, WildWatch LLC.  An educational-services company : 
present     (Click on blue buttons at top of page of details).
*  Consulting on wildlife, wildlife safety, and environmental impacts
(e.g., impacts by development of ski areas, a natural gas pipeline, and mines)
*  Conduct research on big game mammals: ecology, behavior, and environmental impacts.
*  Teach wildlife safety (K-12 and college lectures and courses; public talks.
*  Tutor K-12 students in science and math
*  Produce educational interactive software - science
*  Write and publish books on Alaskan wildlife, ecotourism, and wildlife safety
*  Produce videos on Alaskan wildlife, ecotourism and wildlife safety

Apr 98 -   Director, Bear Communication & Aggression Research Program: This program investigates
present    ways to minimize direct conflicts between people and bears.  I do close-range observation
of grizzly and black bear behavior,  particularly on the Alaska and Kenai Peninsulas of AK.

Apr 94      Polar Bear Conservation:  Developed estimates of "Potential Biological Removal," as
- Oct 94    required by the Marine Mammal Protection Act. Collected indigenous knowledge on
polar bear habitat use from Alaska Natives.  Helped develop the Polar Bear Habitat
Conservation Strategy.  Analyzed laws pertaining to protection of polar bear habitat.
Marine Mammals Management Office, U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, Anchorage, AK 

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Sept 93    BEO.  Wrote QA/QC plans, work plans, progress and completion reports, etc; implemented
adherence to environmental laws through programs in  water quality (Lakes and
Wetlands), air quality, land quality (e.g., SuperFund; underground storage tanks).
Analyzed federal and state environmental laws; drafted tribal environmental legislation.
Served as an expert witness in federal hearings on environmental impacts.

Aug 85     Holistic Resource Management: ecology and management of wildlife  (coyote, lynx, bobcat,
-Aug 86    fox, deer, bear, moose, hare, beaver, etc.) were approached from an ecosystem
perspective to facilitate multiple use management of the Adirondack Ecosystem (e.g.,
optimizing the combined yields of game, timber and recreation).  Advised  grad students. 
Post-doctoral Research Associate: Adirondack Ecological Center, State Univ. of New
York, Newcomb, NY  12852.

OTHER PROPFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE

Responses by grizzly & black bear populations to adult male abundance and behavior and to
food supply and nutritional status.  Assessment done by re-analyzing existing data sets.
Made behavioral observations of captive American & Asian black bears.  Doctoral
Research, Univ. of Tennessee, Knoxville. 37996

Analyzed impacts of trophy hunting through restoring near-natural ratios of adult
males vs. adolescent males and vs. adolescent and adult females in Chamois, red deer,
and roe deer: .  This was one facet of Project Achenkirch, reputedly the most
comprehensive study of human impacts to the alpine environment ever done in Europe up
to that time.  Our game management scheme was subsequently adopted throughout
Austria, certain other parts of Europe, and some parts of North America, including Alaska
(Dahl sheep and moose).  Research supported by grants from World Wildlife Fund and Fund
fur Umwelt Studien.  Post-grad research.

Moose:  I researched mother-offspring relations, communication, calf
survivorship, and ontogeny of behavior.  Information later used to assess likelihood of
calf survival after the death of the mother (e.g., from hunting) University of Alaska,
Fairbanks.  MSc Research

Explored for along-shore deposits of gold and other precious metals.
U.S. Geological Survey, Division of Marine Geology and Hydrology.

Assessed ecosystem impacts by an insecticide used to kill spruce budworm.
U.S. Forest Service, Pacific Southwest Forest and Range Experiment Station.

Screened organic compounds for potential use as pesticides. 
Bio-products Division, Dow Chemical Co.

Designed and maintained marine aquarium systems for teaching and research, including
my own analysis of the effects of the toxin colchicine on embryogenesis of the sea urchin
-- which provided a key to understanding protein synthesis in embryos.

TEACHING (Click above on "Educational Services" for details)
11 years classroom instruction (1 high school, 10 college)
9 years tutoring

COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES
*   Member, Wolverine Creek Management Committee
*   Former member, Fish & Game Advisory Council for Kenai/Soldotna (Alaska)
*   Former member of and advisor to the Alaska Native Brotherhood on environmental issues.
*   Former advisor to the Sitka Tribe of Alaska on environmental issues.
*   Former member Board of Directors of the Alaska Communities Economic Coalition
*   Former advisor to the Stakeholder Committee for conservation of brown bears on the
Kenai Peninsula of  Alaska
*   Former advisor to the Technical Committee for the cleanup of the Alaska Pulp Co. mill site
in Sitka, AK.
*   Advisor to various conservation groups. 


DOCUMENTS AUTHORED:  Scientific journal papers, Consulting Reports,
Legal testimony, Legal Analyses, Popular articles, etc.

Technical Documents (To read a pdf copy of a document, click on its title)
Stringham, S. F.  1964.  Effects of the alkaloid colchincine on embryhogenesis of the sea urchin
Strongylocentrotus purpuratus.  Unpublished.

____.  1969    Estuarian ecology

____.  1974. Mother-offspring relations in moose. Naturaliste Can.  101:325-369.

____,   and A. B. Bubenik.  1974.  Physical condition and survival rates of chamois (Rupicapra rupicapra
L.) as a function of maturity-sex class ratios in the population.  Implications for ungulate harvest
plans.  pp. 123-158 in W. Schroder (ed.):   Tagungsbericht: Internationales Gamswild-Treffen,
Institute for Wildforschung und Jagdkunde, Oberammergau, Germany.

____,   and A. B. Bubenik.  1975.  Condition Physique et Taux de Survie du Chamois, Rupicapra
rupicapra L., En Fonction des Classes d'Age et de Sexe de la Population.  Bulletin de l'Office
de la Chasse, Etudes Scientifiques et Techniques, Paris.  Special No. 3:199-224.

____.  1980.  Possible impacts of hunting on the grizzly/brown bear (Ursus arctos), a Threatened
species.  Int. Conf. Bear Res. and Manage.  4:337-348.

____.  1983.  Roles of adult males in grizzly bear population biology.
Int. Conf. Bear Res. and Manage.  5:140-151.

____.  1984.  Responses by gizzly bear population dynamics to certain environmental and biosocial
factors.  PhD. Disseration, U Tennessee, 495 pp.

____.  1986a.  Effects of climate, dump closure, and other factors on Yellowstone grizzly bear litter size.
Int. Conf. Bear Res. and Manage.  6:33-39.

____.  1986b.  Ecosystem perspectives and modeling for Adirondack mammal predator-prey
interactions.  unpubl.  58pp. + 48pp. of appendices.

____.  1987. Consequences of bears eating garbage at dumps: an overview.   
Northwest Terr. Dept. of Renew. Res.  pp. 36-42.

____.  1988a.  Evolving standards for the legal admissibility and judgment of scientific evidence about
the impacts of human activity on bears or their habitat.  Address to the Ninth Eastern Black Bear
Workshop.  Ontario.  April 1988.

____.  1988b.  What are "necessary habitat" and "undue adverse effect on the natural environment?"  An
ecologist's view of Vermont Acts 250 (8a) and 248 (b5).  Prefile testimony presented in hearings on
Champlain (natural gas) Pipeline before the Vermont Public Utilities Board, administrative hearing.

____.   1988c.  Is the Vermont black bear population crashing? Implications of a population
reconstruction analysis.  Prefile testimony presented in hearings on Champlain (natural gas) Pipeline
before the Vermont Public Utilities Board, administrative hearing.

____.  1990a.  Black bear reproductive rate relative to body weight in hunted populations.
Int. Conf. Bear Res. and Manage.  8:425-432.

____.  1990b.  Grizzly bear reproductive rate relative to body size. 
Int. Conf. Bear Res. and Manage.  8:433-443.

____.  1994a. Legal Protection for Marine Mammals and Habitat. USFWS report.


____.  1994b. Legal Basis for Protecting Polar Bear Habitat. USFWS report.

____.  1994c. Comments on the Marine Mammal Protection Act. USFWS report.

____.  1994d. Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act: annotated Synopsis. USFWS report.

____.  1994e. Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act: basis for decisions. USFWS report.

____.  1994f.  Marine Mammal Protection Act - comments. USFWS report.

____.  1995a.  Aggregation of bears at food concentrations (ecocenters). 
Int. Conf. Bear Res. and Manage.  9(2):223-230.

____.  1995b.  Is grizzly bear reproductive rate depressed by aggregations at concentrated food
sources?  Int. Conf. Bear Res. and Manage.  9(2):216-222.

____.  1995c.  Is grizzly bear cub mortality rate elevated by aggregation at concentrated food sources?
Int. Conf. Bear Res. and Manage.  9(2):205-215.

____.  1995d.  Endangered Species Act – annotated Synopsis. USFWS report.

____.  1995e.  A meta-strategy for world bear conservation. Consulting report.

____.  1996. Buffered viability management of bear populations: a conceptual model for selecting 
critical decision thresholds.

____.  1997a. Critical Deficiencies in Information-Gathering Under the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service
Grizzly Bear Recovery Plan (32 pp.) [Testimony to the USFWS]

____.  1997b. Why Abundance of Infant Litters is Not a Reliable Index of Population Size and
Sustainable Mortality for Yellowstone Grizzly Bears? (27 pp.)  [Testimony to the USFWS]

____.  1998a. Does the Grizzly Bear Recovery Plan Exaggerate Sustainable Loss to Known  Human Kills?
  (10 pp.) [Testimony to the USFWS]

____.  1998b. How the Grizzly Bear Recovery Plan May Exaggerate Estimates for Total Population Size
and Sustainable Loss Extrapolated from Abundance of Adult Females.  (19 pp.)  [Testimony to the
USFWS]

____.  1999.  Assessing importance of specific habitat areas. [Unpubl. Report to the Kenai Brown Bear
Stakeholders Committee] (3 pp.)

____.   2000a. Estimating Extinction Risk for Grizzly Bears or Other Large Mammals: Is Foley’s Model
Applicable? (69 pp.) [Testimony to the USFWS]

____.   2000b. Critique of Boyce (2000) Metapopulation Analysis for the Bitterroot Population. 
[Testimony to the USFWS]

____.   2000c. Critique of the Draft Conservation Strategy for the Grizzly Bear in the Yellowstone Area. 
(11 pp.) [Testimony to the USFWS]

____. 2006a. Critique of the USFWS (1999) Draft Habitat-Based Recovery Criteria for the Yellowstone
Grizzly Bear. (30 pp.) [Update of 1999 testimony to the USFWS]

____. 2006b. Are Official Estimates of Yellowstone Grizzly Bear Population Size and Sustainable
Mortality Critically Biased by Annual Variation in Thoroughness of Censusing Adult Females with Infant
Cub Litters? (103 pp.) [Update of testimony submitted in 1998 to the USFWS]

____. 2006c.   Overview of my Comments on the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service DPS-Delisting Proposal For
Grizzly Bears (11 pp.) [Testimony to the USFWS]

____. 2006d. Crippling Vagueness of the Delisting / DPS Rule. (11 pp.) [Testimony to  the USFWS]

____. 2006e.  Are Yellowstone Grizzly Bears a Distinct Population Segment that is Ready for Delisting?
(25 pp.)

____. 2006f.  Are Delisting Criteria Legal? (2 pp.)

____. 2006g.  Analysis of Population Trend for Grizzlies (13 pp.)

___.  2010a (in press).  Bear behavior & ecology:  potential contributions by captive research to testing
hypotheses & answering questions generated by field research.  Proceedings of the Second Bear Care
Conference.

____.  2010b (in press).  Ursid ontogenetic responses to variations in nutrition and adult male
abundance.  Proceedings of the Second Bear Care Conference.

____.  2010c (in press).  Ursid pelage coloration: Ontogenetic, regional and seasonal variations.
Proceedings of the Second Bear Care Conference.

____.  2010d (in press).  Cognitive ethology of ursidae. Proceedings of the Second Bear Care
Conference.

____.  2010e (in press).  Ursid ethogram project. Proceedings of the Second Bear Care Conference.

____.  2010f (in press).  Does habituation to humans really render captive bears unfit for release into
the wilds? Proceedings of the Second Bear Care Conference.

____.  2010g (in press).  Distinguishing among North American bear species by hand- and foot-prints.
Proceedings of the Second Bear Care Conference.

____.  2010h (in press).  Does behavioral maturation continue during hibernation or aestivation? 
A possible method for distinguishing effects of maturation vs. Experience
Proceedings of the Second Bear Care Conference.

Wei, Fuwen, G. Yang, J. Hu, & S. Stringham. 2004.  Balancing panda and human needs for bamboo
shoots in Mabian  Nature Reserve China: Predictions from a logistic-like model.
in D. Lindberg (ed), Panda Conservation,.  U. Calif Press. 

Non-Technical Consulting Reports   (To read a pdf copy of a document, click on its title)
[reports to consulting clients, legal testimony,
_
Stringham, S. F.  1993.  Native American Environmental Institute - a Proposal submitted to Congress by
the Blackfeet Indian Nation. 

Stringham, Steve  & Bruce McCurtain.  2009.  Annual Operating Plan 2010-2019 for Campgrounds
and Other Facilities in Chugach National Forest, Alaska.  Alaska Recreational Management.  266 pp. +
attachments.


Popular Writing   (To read about a book, click on its title)
*  Beauty Within the Beast: Kinship With Bears in the Alaska Wilderness (book on bear-human
relationships).  Seven Locks Press.  2002

*  Bear Viewing in Alaska: Expert Tips for a Great Adventure.  Globe Pequot Publ. 2007

*  Alaska Magnum Bear Safety Manual: Don’t Risk Your Life to Live Your Dreams of Fishing, Hunting,
Hiking, Camping or Watching Wildlife in the Far North.  WildWatch Publ.  2008

*  When Bears Whisper, Do You Listen? Negotiating Close Encounters With Wild Bruins. 
WildWatch Publ.  2009

*  Ghost Grizzlies and Other Rare Bruins: The Art & Adventure of Knowing Wild Bears.
WildWatch Publ.  (scheduled for release in summer 2010)

*  Evolution of Bears.  Online book.  Click on title to read.

*  Bear Aggression: Violence, Intimidation and Manipulation
WildWatch Publ.  (scheduled for release in fall 2010)
WildWatch Publ.    (scheduled for release in fall 2009)
*  Surviving Bear Aggression: True Experiences & Effective Techniques
WildWatch Publ.    (scheduled for release in spring 2011)

*  The Language of Bears: Communication is the Key to Coexistence. 
WildWatch Publ.  (In prep.)

*  Grizzlies Among the Glaciers: Adventures Researching Alaska’s Coastal Bears. 
WildWatch Publ.  (In prep.)

*  Becoming Bear: Seeing Through the Eyes of Objectivity and Intuition.
WildWatch Publ. (In prep.)

*  Loneliness is a Motherless Moose: Adventures Among Alaska's Antlered Giants
WildWatch Publ.  (In prep.)


National magazine and local newspaper articles.
For example:

*  1992.  How many grizzlies is enough: Is the grizzly still Threatened or Endangered? 
Ursus 1(3) and 1(4):8-10, 13, 23-24.

*  1993.  Trophy bull management: An alternate strategy.  Bugle Magazine.  (fall issue)

*  1999-2000.  Conservation of grizzly/brown bears on the Kenai Peninsula of Alaska
-- Series of 10 newspaper articles related to development of a new Conservation Plan.
Peninsula Clarion
    o  Bear Watching on the Kenai Peninsula
    o  Bear Viewing vs. Bear Hunting and Fishing
    o  Brown Bear Conservation - An Investment in Our Future
    o  Making Good Brown Bear Conservation Good Business.
    o  Selecting Strategic Goals for Kenai Brown Bear Conservation
    o  Choosing Acceptable Risk to Kenai Brown Bears
    o  The Moose That Roared
    o  Competing for Moose & Caribou Against Wolvers & Bears
    o  Predators, Prey & People


*  2002.  Opinion piece for Homer News, Homer, AK. 

*  2002   Smokey & Mirrors.  WildEarth Magazine. (fall issue).

*  Recent: Several more newspaper articles related to wildlife safety or viewing



Video Production:  2 videos to educate the public about bear safety and social behavior. 
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Major Scientific and Wildlife/Wildland Conservation Projects

*  Assessed impacts of human activities, including development of ski areas and a natural gas pipeline,
as well as logging, hunting, angling and wildlife viewing.

*  Co-founded and -directed the Blackfeet Environmental Office for the Blackfeet Indian Nation

*  Managed a wide range of environmental monitoring under EPA grants for the Blackfeet Nation. *

*  Analyzed federal and state environmental laws; drafted Blackfeet tribal environmental legislation.

*  Member of the federal team that developed the Polar Bear Habitat Conservation Strategy.

*  Researched communication and aggression in bear and ungulate populations.

*  Critiqued federal management plans for Threatened grizzly bear populations.

*  Modeled single-species and predator-prey population dynamics; analyzed extinction risks.

*  Assessed impacts of hunting on bear and ungulate populations.

*  Developed interactive educational software relating to wildlife and environmental impacts.

*  Critiqued Draft and Final EA’s and EIS’s by other parties.
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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2012, 08:14:11 PM »
I actually like some disagreement in our discussions. If I wanted  :kneel: then i could get it I guess. I hate verbal diarrhea with nothing to back it up.. You think sitka is a bunny hugger? OK but at least he helps sharpen your thinking for when you approach someone like a politician that can make a difference.  Overcoming objections is important in selling people on our ideas. Being belligerent and aggressive won't win you any friends or points.
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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2012, 06:59:10 AM »
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Contrary to what some people might think, asking this question isn’t some kind of Liberal plot to trick Alaskans into sacrificing our traditional lifestyle as hunters. Just the opposite. It’s a “plot” to save our lifestyle.

I beleive he mentions in the 4th paragraph that humans are and will continue to be predators. He also uses language leading one to beleive he himself is a hunter. Hnestly people you have to read more than the first 1 or 2 paragraphs!! Thanks Sitka that was a great read. Are you the author or just found it online?

Brandon

Well, I did read the whole article a couple of times, and after reading your post, once again. He does not once include humans in a list of predators anywhere. He refers to humans only as "hunters", in the 4th paragraph. All due respect, Luv, maybe you should read more carefully.

More importantly, you and Sitka, along with the entire animals first, people never crowd completely missed my point. Man has always been and continues to be an apex predator and needs to be included as part of the equation. If these species need more predation, let me at 'em. Sell more tags. We don't need to overpopulate the state with another apex predator to keep herds healthy. I'm already doing that and have been since the North American game management model was begun.

Here in WA, I actually do feel there is a place for wolves in our ecosystem. But, unlike the radicals who are running (or ruining) our DFW, I believe that place has already been filled and we should be stabilizing and controlling their numbers now. AK, ID, MT, and WY are great examples that wolves have no problem increasing their numbers and if we don't manage them early, they'll manage us and undue much of what hunters have accomplished since 1900 for our other abundant wildlife.
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Re: Predator/prey relationships, things to consider
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2012, 08:25:53 AM »
Bearpaw,
My professional resume does not classify me as a hunter either. I still think based on the quote I posted earlier that he is in fact a hunter.

Piano,
Hunting is a act of predation so when he calls humans hunters, he would be referring to us in the act of predation. Therefore we are predators. Of course this is the way I interpret that comment, and we will most likely never agree about the implications or lack of in that comment.

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