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What price for wolves?
« on: February 18, 2012, 05:25:20 PM »
http://www.lagrandeobserver.com/Opinion/Community-Comment/What-price-for-wolves

What price for wolves?
Written by Jim Ward February 14, 2012 11:32 pm

I’m a wolf lover. The first time I heard one howl sent a much-needed chill down my spine. Over an elk carcass, I watched wolves play tug-of-war with a massive grizzly. In mid-stream of the Lamar River, one morning, I observed a pack bouncing off the back of a bucking bull elk. Visual images I’ll carry to my grave.
 
Yes, I’ve heard the talk -–- wolves are keeping the ungulates away from the riparian areas, allowing the vegetation to re-grow, benefitting everything from beavers and mink to fish and songbirds. For decades, I’ve made annual trips to Yellowstone and have seen this myself.
 
It doesn’t take a PH.D in biology to figure it all out. Before Europeans set foot on this continent, wolves were pretty much the sole guardians of the landscape –-- keeping forage and disease in balance with the great herds. Our Creator likely put in a little overtime building such an efficient culling machine.
 
As an avid elk lover, with a basic grasp of how adaptation works, it’s not difficult to understand what Aldo Leupold intended when he suggested the very beauty, regal stature and swiftness of the elk, deer and pronghorn were “carved by the fang of the wolf.”
 
The attributes I treasure most about our beloved elk would be absent were it not for the constant pressure by predators.
 
Yellowstone and the pre-European prairies needed the wolf. But, I wonder if Northeast Oregon in the 21st century does.
 
Today, we have farms and ranches, cattle and sheep, and lots of people laced throughout our landscapes.
 
As much as a wolf can travel in one day, we really don’t have a wilderness large enough to keep them away from our assets and let them do the good deeds they once did. Now, hunters are keeping the game herds in check.
 
And, what about the wolves themselves ---- will they ever be happy here? It seems every time they get hungry, someone is poking darts in their hides, swooping over them with copters and outright killing them.
 
In wolf culture, every time you remove an alpha member it tends to disrupt the whole order of the pack. “Our” wolves really aren’t wolves, they’ve been reduced to skulking beasts –-- dodging bullets, highways and angry people. And does it look to get any better?
 
Aside from the loss of livestock and great stress to local landowners, what troubles me the most about the wolf program is the cost of forcing wolves into our society. Range riders, wolf coordinators, copter pilots and forensic labs don’t work for free. And a good deal of this money is coming from the “wildlife fund” in one way or another. The mere handful of wolves we have in Wallowa County has already cost nearly a million dollars. Wow, what else could we have done with that money? 
 
Do the math. Considering the wolf that traveled to California, it’s reasonable to assume that every county in our state will have wolves someday. Nothing is in their way. If the couple of packs in Wallowa County have already cost a million dollars, and they haven’t yet reached their preferred population level, how much will it cost when all Oregon counties have wolves at target levels? And where will that money come from?
 
Today, Oregon wildlife programs are suffering severe neglect. It’s a bit sad in a way, but much of the limited money is spent on game species, because the support is there –-- mostly from hunters (oddly, $28,000 of 2012’s hunting fees will be spent on the wolf program). Non-game species are slipping through the cracks. In just this fiscal year alone, over $64,000 of the already meager non-game dollars will be spent on our couple of wolf packs. Songbirds, our beautiful raptors and a myriad of other species will all suffer the funding sacrifices for a couple dozen canines.
 
What would a million dollars do for the enormous weed problem we have on our range and timber lands? Most hunters, ranchers and politicians don’t realize it, but the severe loss of forage to both game and livestock, from such blights as cheat grass, medusahead, star thistle and knapweed, makes wolf depredation pale in comparison. One million dollars could purchase a lot of herbicide or control research.
 
In truth, most pro-wolf people in our state will never see an Oregon wolf. Yet, in a good day’s travel they could be on the banks of the Lamar, enjoying wolves as I have. They’d see wolves as they should be seen  –-- as an asset to the ecosystem.
 
Have these people crunched the numbers and do they really understand the sacrifices their interests are forcing on other species?
 
Yes, people are in the way of the wolf’s prosperity. But whose daughter, grandson, husband or aunt do you want out of the way?

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Re: What price for wolves?
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 05:36:24 PM »
I wonder how many people in this state would proclaim their affinity for the wolf if it required a 100 dollar permit/license to provide management funds for the wolf ??  We certainly pay through the nose to show our affinity towards game animals, and I think the wolfers should do the same.  I know I do not want one red cent of my money spent on wolves for anything, unless of course its management for hunting them.

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Re: What price for wolves?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 08:29:38 PM »
http://www.lagrandeobserver.com/Opinion/Community-Comment/What-price-for-wolves

What price for wolves?
Written by Jim Ward February 14, 2012 11:32 pm

I’m a wolf lover.   
 
It doesn’t take a PH.D in biology to figure it all out. Before Europeans set foot on this continent, wolves were pretty much the sole guardians of the landscape –-- keeping forage and disease in balance with the great herds. Our Creator likely put in a little overtime building such an efficient culling machine.
 


 
The attributes I treasure most about our beloved elk would be absent were it not for the constant pressure by predators.
 
Yellowstone and the pre-European prairies needed the wolf. 
 
Today, we have farms and ranches, cattle and sheep, and lots of people laced throughout our landscapes.
 
As much as a wolf can travel in one day, we really don’t have a wilderness large enough to keep them away from our assets and let them do the good deeds they once did. Now, hunters are keeping the game herds in check.
 
 
Jim Ward photographs and writes about the wildlife of Northeast Oregon.



This guy gets it.  :tup: I believe this is the root cause of the problem with wolves here. This is it in a nutshell.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2012, 08:36:46 PM by NWBREW »
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Re: What price for wolves?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2012, 09:51:06 PM »
waste of money, we didnt need them back.

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Re: What price for wolves?
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2012, 09:52:51 PM »
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Re: What price for wolves?
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2012, 10:02:35 PM »
 :tup: a wolf lover with a brain I am shocked!

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Re: What price for wolves?
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2012, 08:06:17 AM »
 :yeah:
:tup: a wolf lover with a brain I am shocked!
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Re: What price for wolves?
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2012, 08:35:50 AM »
the pro wolf machine is huge,and cares not for what it costs taxpayers.In fact many of those that fight for the wolf are nowhere near the regions the wolves are.They are some of the same folks that are pushing agendas,such as the gay marriage issues in kindergarten schools,and just about everything that has to do with our traditional values,of family's and hunting.I believe its all linked together...don't really care if nobody agrees with me on that.But until it really hits these morons, who by the way are also in our own little communities here,it will be to late and the damage irreversible.I liken all of whats happening to the Johnny cash song,I took it one piece at a time...But its OK,I mean it really don't affect me,why should I be concerned..we all and they also know that the wolf is in no danger of becoming extinct,but our traditions and values????

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Re: What price for wolves?
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2012, 08:44:01 AM »
That was a good read.

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Re: What price for wolves?
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2012, 09:17:52 AM »
Yes he did nail it .... For the amount of money to reinstate these wolves we could feed alot of starving people in the US plus housing and everything in between that has been put aside ...the question is what are we going to do to stop it ? What peesses me off more than anything is when I here people say how the wolve once ruled the country and killed elk & deer and kept the numbers in check .. So its o.k for the wolves to eat elk & deer but not the hunters who contribute to see they are here for future generations to enjoy .... well that theory will be shot in arz real soon if the wolf issue continues !! :bash: :bash:

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Re: What price for wolves?
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2012, 09:21:42 AM »
Not a matter of if wolf issues continue.
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Re: What price for wolves?
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2012, 10:00:02 AM »
 That was a good article and it hit the nail on the head on a lot of the issues! It's good to see a wolf lover that can actually look at the problem from a broad perspective and an unbiased attitude. There are too many radicals on both sides of the issues at hand and there always will be. This will never change so the emotions will continue to run high. I can only hope that in the near future we can find a common middle ground to stand on and find some way to appease everyone but I don't really believe that's possible. We can always dream.

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Re: What price for wolves?
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2012, 07:55:24 PM »
There are still places where the romantic image of the wolf, as described by Leupold, still exists without having to "re-introduce" them - Canada and Alaska. We do not need them in the lower 48 and yet they still thrive in the TRULY wild areas. It is there that they HAVE always been.

This utopian image of the way things used to be before the west was settled somehow has taken over the reins as far as policy making decisions. This is very bad. The thing is, the genie is out of the bottle. They are officially "re-introduced".

I would be certain that the author was in favor of re-introduction in 1995.
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