Knight Disc Extreme Peep Sight Question

[jbeaumont21]

Hey guys, I need some help picking the right peep sight for my KDE.  I ordered the Williams WGRS peep sight but I am wondering if I should have gotten the Williams FP.  It would appear  that the WGRS would be easier to install but the FP seem like it has more capabilities for wind and distance adjustments but harder to install.  Another difference seems to be where they mount on the gun.  The WGRS looks like it mounts in place of the rear sight where as the FP mounts in the rear scope holes giving you more distance between the peep sight and the front sight.  So with that said what is the consensus on which one is better and why?  Thanks in advance for the advice.

[sjhgraysage]

The Williams peep will install on the rear scope base position.
If your gun shoots decent with out much adjustment to the regular open sights the Williams peep should have enough adjustment to get you on target.
I put one on a TC Black Diamond, I liked it better that the factory opens.
Good luck.

[rickc]

I recently purchased both, not knowing for sure which way I wanted to go. Both will mount at any location. The only potential problem I see is that mounting the FP sight as far back as possible there may be problems with the bolt. I have the FP mounted as far back as possible and adjusted to be in line with the factory sights which I have sighted in and the bolt will just barely clear. I haven't had the chance to shoot it using the peep sights yet though. I believe others have mentioned they have concerns with this.

[jbeaumont21]

Thanks for the tips guys.  It seems to me that the WGRS would cause less issues of getting in the way of th bolt and easier to install, as long as it sits high enough to sight in at 100 yrds for a consistent pattern.  I dont plan to ever shoot much further then that so I'm not sure the FP would much of a benefit.

[sjhgraysage]

oops
I was refering to the WGRS

[kevinmeister]

Do you have the model number for the Williams WGRS and where I should order it from?  I want to put a peep on my Knight Disc Extreme.  Also, do you recommend a improvement front site post?  Seems like the orange fiber optic is too fat.  Thanks.

[Sabotloader]

Call Williams... 800 530-9028 ext 228 and talk to Steve about the Williams you might want.  He can help you with all the numbers.

Peep sights... the Williams varieties - I really prefer the FP sight to the WG sight.  The WG is what I call a 'slide and glide' adjustment sight and the FP is more like a scope adjustment - 1/4 min clicks for an 1" @ 100 yards.

There is an issue with the FP... The peep cross-bar can be in the way of lifting the bolt IF the elevation of the sight is adjusted all the way down to zero yards.... Normally this will bever happen but it has been discussed when people are installing the FP for the first time.  Once you raise the bar to the point that the gun is sighted in - then the problem is not longer a problem.  Your current front sight will detirmine the heigth of the lift of the elevation bar.

This is a picture of the FP installed on a MK-85



If you look on the left side of the sight to the elevation graduations - you can see that I have lifted the elevation several marks to sight the rifle in, at this point the bolt, if it had a bolt, would no longer contact the cross-bar.

For the front sight i would suggest that you replace the Knight sight with a Williams ramp, fire sight, and I added the firsight hood to give the sight picture that you see a more scope like view.



This sight can be installed on a Weaver scope base and looks like it might work very well...



I think coyotewallce also has another variety mounted on his might - PM him and get the information from him...

Hope some of this helps...

mike

[mbro]

Just the information I'm looking for... almost.  I come back home to hunt in WA every year, so I need the iron sights, and I have a new Knight Disc Extreme that I would like to put a Williams peep sight on. 

I like the idea of the adjustment system on the FP, but I'm wondering if that block at the side (elevation adjustment ways & screw) obstructs the bolt removal quick release button?  The WGRS seams like an obvious fit, but I'm concerned that it won't have enough elevation adjustment (the factory open sights are adjusted to the highest mark and shooting tight groups at about 60 yds but a little low for some reason- load: 45 cal 250 grain XTP/.50 sabot over 100 gr 777 ffg).

Pic showing 3 shots tight and then 1 after sight adj., but still low at 60 yds (from rest).


Anyhow, I like the idea of the range of adjustment of the FP, just seems like it might cover the bolt quick release button.  Anyone have experience with that?

[Sabotloader]

mbro

If the peep is installed in the rear two holes of the reciever it does not bother ther quick release.  Installing it there does cause a problem with lifting the bolt handle if the sight is set to zero elevation. But once you have the rifle sight in and the elevation level set that problem goes away...

[mbro]

Thanks, Sabotloader.  I think I'll give the FP a try.  I'll report back, if I run into any issues that you all should know about.  Thanks.

[kevinmeister]

Sabotloader,
Do you have a part number for the williams fiber optic front bead?  I ordered the wrong front sight from Brownells and after talking with them, they needed measurements to ensure I ordered the correct height. 

So far I successfully installed:
1) Willaims Steamlined Front Ramp
2) Fire sight hood. 
3) Williams FP Rear sight has been ordered and in the mail
Now just need to know the correct part number to order for the front fiber optic site bead to fit the steramlined ramp. 

Thanks in advance.   

[kevinmeister]

Sabotloader- PM sent.  Thanks!!!

[Sabotloader]

Sabotloader- PM sent.  Thanks!!!

sent one back your way...

[jbeaumont21]

Hey guys, can you share that part number for the williams fiber optic front bead? I broke mine tonight trying to install it so need to order a new one 

I was so excited, I finally received the hood that has been on back order for a month.  I filed down the grooves for the front bead and was gently tapping it into place and miss tapped and broke the fiber optic

Thanks in advance!
Jesse

[Sabotloader]

Hey guys, can you share that part number for the williams fiber optic front bead? I broke mine tonight trying to install it so need to order a new one 

I was so excited, I finally received the hood that has been on back order for a month.  I filed down the grooves for the front bead and was gently tapping it into place and miss tapped and broke the fiber optic

Thanks in advance!
Jesse

Just sent you a PM with the numbers...

But remember you can just replace the fiber optic piping.  It is available from Williams - get ahold of Steve @ extension #226.

mike