Evidence for parasite-induced vulnerability to predation by wolves?

[humanure]

Hunters can do the same thing if we are allowed by the WDFW. So if there was any logic behind why the WDFW doesn't reduce overall herd size or issue more Doe/cow permits I'm all ears.

Falsification. If modern hunting were as effective as others believe, it would have been utilized. But we have to take into account how many trophy hunters are out their in ratio to the subsistance hunters.

But whatever. I've stated my position. I'm here mainly to try to sway the illegal acts of other so as not to give the hunting tradition a bad name. If my agenda was purely for wolf recovery, then it would be pointless to come here. I'm not that naive. But I am for hunters priveledges and all of my friends are hunters and woodsman, so I know the plight of this side of the spectrum. Believe me, I'm just as critical with how the powers at be are handling this wolf situation. They have their heads up their ass'.

[3nails]

humanure- What was your reasoning for your "handle" on here? What do you mean by that?

[Special T]

The major flaw with most pro wolf posts is that wolf huggers want wolves to regulate numbers and kinds of animals taken... Hunters can do the same thing if we are allowed by the WDFW. So if there was any logic behind why the WDFW doesn't reduce overall herd size or issue more Doe/cow permits I'm all ears.

If this is what you are referring to then its not a falsification.  I can tell you there would be a line a people to buy second doe tags for a given area if they thick they need extra harvest. Since the WDFW does not do a good job of explaining why they do what they do Neither you or I could say it is a falsification, unless you are privy to info from inside the department. If you do have that kind of access then please do share.

I have a healthy skepticism for people with your inclination. If the deer and elk herds of MT ID and WY were able to thrive with a lower population and no wolves for so long why do we need them here?

If you are here to sway us from doing illegal acts i'll help you out. A study done in AK outside of Denali NP stated that 50-70% of wolves in that area need to be killed EACH YEAR in order to keep a stable number. Hunting only was able to haves only 3-6% of the population and that was with liberal seasons.  So a few people shooting wolves illegally are not likely to make a big dent.  What we need are body gripping traps, and aerial gunning and Poison. Since that is not likely to happen what we really need it to get Rob Mc Kenna as our new Governor and get him to de-list the NE portion of the state, since according to the feds it is part of the Rockies and has been de-listed as far as they are concerned. If we really want to make a dent VOTE and give $$$ to him. 

[lokidog]

The major flaw with most pro wolf posts is that wolf huggers want wolves to regulate numbers and kinds of animals taken... Hunters can do the same thing if we are allowed by the WDFW. So if there was any logic behind why the WDFW doesn't reduce overall herd size or issue more Doe/cow permits I'm all ears.

If this is what you are referring to then its not a falsification.  I can tell you there would be a line a people to buy second doe tags for a given area if they thick they need extra harvest. Since the WDFW does not do a good job of explaining why they do what they do Neither you or I could say it is a falsification, unless you are privy to info from inside the department. If you do have that kind of access then please do share.

I have a healthy skepticism for people with your inclination. If the deer and elk herds of MT ID and WY were able to thrive with a lower population and no wolves for so long why do we need them here?

If you are here to sway us from doing illegal acts i'll help you out. A study done in AK outside of Denali NP stated that 50-70% of wolves in that area need to be killed EACH YEAR in order to keep a stable number. Hunting only was able to haves only 3-6% of the population and that was with liberal seasons.  So a few people shooting wolves illegally are not likely to make a big dent.  What we need are body gripping traps, and aerial gunning and Poison. Since that is not likely to happen what we really need it to get Rob Mc Kenna as our new Governor and get him to de-list the NE portion of the state, since according to the feds it is part of the Rockies and has been de-listed as far as they are concerned. If we really want to make a dent VOTE and give $$$ to him. 

 

human + manure = full of sh..t, me thinks.  Admits to no education but tries to write like he's educated.  Something seems fishy.   

[SemperFidelis97]

Its already been stated several times. Pro wolf activists follow the same line of drift on this forum. EVERY TIME they start right off talking about wolves. This guy might be doing a better job of trying to "sell" us his opinion, but that is the reason he is here. He is not here because he is a hunter, he is here because he is an activist. I have looked at several people that have claimed to be hunters, or new hunters. NOT ONE of them have acted like the 100s of new members we get here.  Ask your self what newbies do on here when they post.... This guy hasn't done a thing like them.... Or any other wolf in hunters clothing. 

The major flaw with most pro wolf posts is that wolf huggers want wolves to regulate numbers and kinds of animals taken... Hunters can do the same thing if we are allowed by the WDFW. So if there was any logic behind why the WDFW doesn't reduce overall herd size or issue more Doe/cow permits I'm all ears.

It seems to me allot of our newer members come here looking for advice.  It usually takes awhile for them to migrate to the more touchy subjects on here, sorry if I am a little suspicous of someone who wades into the fray from the start.  If you aren't a troll I am sorry, but your pinpoint focus on the wolf issue screams troll you even recieved the coveted attention of Sitka Blacktail congrats.

[Humptulips]

Hunters can do the same thing if we are allowed by the WDFW. So if there was any logic behind why the WDFW doesn't reduce overall herd size or issue more Doe/cow permits I'm all ears.

Falsification. If modern hunting were as effective as others believe, it would have been utilized. But we have to take into account how many trophy hunters are out their in ratio to the subsistance hunters.

I get so sick of hearing hunters demonized as "Trophy Hunters".
When hunters take a deer or elk it gets eaten. Should we be ashamed because we are proud of the deer or elk we harvested and like to keep something to remember it by? I say no. This is the tactic of the anti-hunter to make the non-hunting public think we are killing game just for the horns. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
So what would you have us do? Go out in search of a sickly deer for the pot. How many unhealthy deer or elk have I seen in my years of hunting? Damn few is the answer and wolves and cougars don't either. Deer and elk mainly fall victim because of a moment of oppurtunity for the predator.
Everything you've said is just so much BS and then you throw the "Trophy Hunter" label out there it says to me anti-hunter.

[Tbar]

What is the ratio of trophy Hunters to subsistence Hunters? I know many of us don't"need"to hunt but but I also believe the Hunters in Washington state would be as effective as a management tool as we need. If you disagree you are misinformed. I know wolves are a unfortunate reality we have. " needed" I  know that's a crock. The last thing our herds need are wolves. They are just rebounding from various things that caused declines over the last 20 years.

[BOWHUNTER45]

yeah thats exactly right... and if we have so many animals to bring in the wolves then why are we limited to opportunity to hunt branched antler bulls and have such short seasons ....I just hope some day soon everyone hits a reality check and puts the government back into check because we are getting sheet on way to much lately ....

[Turner89]

I would rather a wolf lover just come out and say that they want a return of wolves for the simple fact that they love wolves. Instead of trying to convince us it is for the benefit of the envirement.
 I like wolves just fine, in alaska, and Canada.

[humanure]

humanure- What was your reasoning for your "handle" on here? What do you mean by that?

It's my favorite Cattle Decapitation album.

[humanure]

Hunters can do the same thing if we are allowed by the WDFW. So if there was any logic behind why the WDFW doesn't reduce overall herd size or issue more Doe/cow permits I'm all ears.

Falsification. If modern hunting were as effective as others believe, it would have been utilized. But we have to take into account how many trophy hunters are out their in ratio to the subsistance hunters.

I get so sick of hearing hunters demonized as "Trophy Hunters".
When hunters take a deer or elk it gets eaten. Should we be ashamed because we are proud of the deer or elk we harvested and like to keep something to remember it by? I say no. This is the tactic of the anti-hunter to make the non-hunting public think we are killing game just for the horns. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
So what would you have us do? Go out in search of a sickly deer for the pot. How many unhealthy deer or elk have I seen in my years of hunting? Damn few is the answer and wolves and cougars don't either. Deer and elk mainly fall victim because of a moment of oppurtunity for the predator.
Everything you've said is just so much BS and then you throw the "Trophy Hunter" label out there it says to me anti-hunter.

I don't demonize trophy hunting. I would love to have a giant racked elk on my wall. But the truth is, we need the oldest and strongest to survive for awhile while the sick genes get cut away. You don't have to keep saying it, we all know wolves don't just kill the weak and sick. But 1 out of 10 times is the average successful hunt for wolves, so i think a decline in the immunities will be more due to excessive trophy hunting more than wolves preying on the healthier bulls and cows. But thats just a theory like everything else.

[Humptulips]

Yea, well you just did demonized trophy hunting in that post.
You are really brainwashed.
Sick genes, 1 out of 10 hunts successful for wolves, decline in immunities and excessive trophy hunts, you just pull all of that out of your rear or what.
Maybe post something you can back up. Better yet, go away!

[humanure]

Like I said, I've spent my post school years doing my own research and alot of reading as well as gaining experience through volunteer work. I don't pull anything out of my ass. I won't say anything I don't feel I read from a reputable source.

You view that post as demonizing, I view it as looking at the evidence before us through past and present environmental science.

[hughjorgan]

Like I said, I've spent my post school years doing my own research and alot of reading as well as gaining experience through volunteer work. I don't pull anything out of my ass. I won't say anything I don't feel I read from a reputable source.

You view that post as demonizing, I view it as looking at the evidence before us through past and present environmental science.

No it is your OPINION not evidence, you have yet to site any sources for any of your outlandish claims.

[humanure]

To do that, i would have to reveal the establishments I am involved with, and i choose not to do that. Not that I think it would damage what I have said, but I prefer not to speak for anyone but myself. I don't like the possibility of people I know receiving negativity or flak over anything I do or say outside of their confines that could be wrongly associated with them. I represent no one but myself here.