.375 Ruger VS .338 Ultra

[littletoes]

What makes you think a Remmy 700 won't feed upside down or sideways?

Well lets just see!!!!!

For starters, I own 5 Remmy 700's, and for arguments sake, I just went into the 'Ol gun room and tried 'em all.....

GUESS WHAT!!!!

Them 'Ol beasties fed upside down, sideways, this ways, that ways....you name it!
Guess I gots to call the factory 'cause there must be somthing wrong, THEY ALL WORKED!!

MW338, maybe I'm picking on you a bit, but its all in fun, I would just like to say, don't believe everything that you hear, 'caus the 'Ol remmy 700's feed every which way, without a hitch.
Another thing, If I ever find myself in a condition where I need to hang upside down (like in a tree or someting), I'll be sure to be careful when loading that way with one of my Remmy's! 

Don't believe everything you hear....

Dang TeacherMan....my Weatherby cost me $1400, and that was several years ago!

[MountainWalk]

Just to be sure, I took a winchester m70 ranger, a savage 116, a push feed ruger 77 tang safety and another m70 of my pals, unsure of model class and performed such task as mentioned above. All are pushfeed, fingernail type extractor rifles.

Most did ok with a little bit of angle. None would feed upside down except the Savage and the Ruger. Interesting.  Also, I tried to replicate an extremely  stressfull situation using snap caps.  Several times I experienced short stroking and double feeding. I tried the same with an enfield 30-06. with claw, and a friends mauser rifle since he brought it over wiht his m70 . No problems whatsoever. What this means to me, is, most rifles are well made and will function, but a push feed uses a plunger which is springloaded. This can and does fail, whereas a blade  ejector is a static piece of metal which does not operate with a spring. Fingernail extractors do work well, but the gripping and holding surface is too small. And it does not positively grab the case as well as a claw, that holds onto the rim until it meets the blade ejector.

Like I said,, you will never see African PH's using push feed rifles. I believe there is good reason for it.  Same reason nearly every military bolt rifle employs this design.

I like the Remington rifles, though they are not my faves. Unless your a local Alaskan, you need a guide to hunt big bears. When you do go there, look at his rifle and ask him why he uses that type. He will be able to enumerate on the subject far better than I.

"get a case stuck and its awefully hard to get out" to  paraphrase your comments on another subject.

Use a rifle with a claw, and it will never get stuck.  Also, why is every rifle marketed for dangerous game specifically, come with a mauser claw?  Because they are pretty?

[TeacherMan]

Good points, I guess I will have to take my so so hunting rifle into the field this year and hope not to get killed by the animals I'm hunting because of its inabilities. 

[ICEMAN]

Actually, only the wussies take claw extractor type rifles for big game. I am going to pick up a nice used mossberg shotgun and take my chances! Where is the thrill with perfect gear? 

Watching some of those shows, I always get sick listening to their holier than thou' attitude about some of those rifles. I am sure you can get a ton of remington folks who can speak volumes about the dangerous game they have dropped with Rems. On the other hand, if money were no option.....hmmmmm

[MountainWalk]

Yes, tons of folks hunt dangerous game in Africa with their Remington rifles, and do very well. But there is always a PH to clean up the mess that they may make. He most likely will not have a Remington.
On those shows, I dont think they ever show a worst case scenario. Heck, on any hunting vid, they never show what goes wrong.

[littletoes]

Dang-nabbit MW338....you IZ gonna make me pull da ACE card....

Sooooo, you are obsessed with the claw extractor??
Well, I have never heard of a Remmy failing to feed in any direction....plus, several of my friends in the Marine Corps Scout Sniper Program may have a bit to argue with you about...oh yes, and a few friends that I have in the Army Sniper Program may step up and say a bit too....

They have used the 700 since Vietnam, and are still using it in Iraq, Afganistan, and a few other unmentioned places...

They may not have dangerous animals coming after them...but a few of thier prey animals have shot back at them a time or two....
Not sure if I got this right, but I think they just might have been in a few more "stressfull" situations than ANY PH I have ever read or heard about.
Not to mention those same rifles don't get treated very well during those same situations....Not many treat their rifles as rough as a Marine.
Sorry.....but for all your talk, you just won't convince me. If I had a way, I would film me loading all five of those Remington rifles upside down, with all of the cartriges that each will hold.
Wanna bet me I can't do it? I just did with that previous post, and feel very confident they will all work again, and again.....and again.

[MountainWalk]

Friend, I just mentioned a while ago, that i wouldnt myself hunt big bad game without it. I never made a Federal case about it untill someone decided that I just hate them and wouldnt never use one. Never said that. I just said,twas i, thats what i use.

I will give you your due on the Marines. Last I checked though, they normally have a spotter with another rifle with them also. Now, I'll never begrudge their postition as to danger, for sure. But I'm quite sure they (PH's) have very real and pressing reasons for not using them. Also, comparing getting shot at while in a hide is very different from having a bull elephant or lion come for you at 10 yards. I wouldnt say one is more dangerous then the other, as after all, dead is dead. My own hunting rifle , my fave one anyhow, doesnt have one. I like it much, and have much confidence in it. But twas I to hunt something very ugly tempered, and very likely able to hurt me, you better believe I would cover all my bases.

And while it may be off subject, my grandfathers Remmie's extractor sheered off in a not so high stress situation. Maybe by chance or bad luck, or just plain wear and tear. Maybe if you feel they are not so neccesary, please by all means write to as many manufactuars and tell them how wrong and misguided they are.

[littletoes]

Aw heck-I thought you said the claw type rifles are better...not that is was just something you prefered.

Heck, I prefer the push feed for its simplicity, and practicality, plus it hasn't failed me yet...

As to the comparison between PH's and Marines, I'd say the Ph is the spotter/back-up for hunter, and the animals sure ain't gonna use mortar, machineguns, other snipers...they just plain ain't gonna shoot back.

The thing with the Remmy, EVERYONE, I mean EVERYONE makes parts, upgrades, you name it for them. That makes it a major plus.

[MountainWalk]

That sir, is correct. They are the 69 camaro of hunting rifles. And a huge part of the custom rifle market.

[littletoes]

When shooting competivly, my partner at the time had an identical set up as mine, except his used Win 70 action.

It was one sweet shooter, and with bolt manipulation, it could either drop the brass rigtht next to the gun, or throw it a couple feet out of the way if you needed it too. I had to trim the ejector spring a bit, and mine too will do the same now.

Very predictable.

His rifle was built off of a Whinny "Stealth" I think. Supposed to be closer to the pre 64 action. More custom, and "more" extractor. Too bad he turned out to be a total ass-clown, but thats another story.

The funny part, both rifles straight from the factory, chambered in .308 had about the same free-bore, and both fired very very well.

My first 700 I purchased when I was 14, only because it was very affordable. As a kid I had always wanted a Weatherby in 300 mag, it was what all the big-game writers were bragging up at the time, so I took some of my "haying" money and picked up a 300 Winchester Mag in a Remington action, topped with my first scope, a Leupold 3-9. Now that scope sits on my son's first rifle, a Remmy 700 in .243. It shoots very well out to 300 yards. Haven't had the chance to try farther as of yet, and we are running out of summer....

I have a few extra parts for the Remington's, and perhaps one of the kids might be able to use them in time??

[MountainWalk]

Well littletoes, its been fun .

I have a few 700's back in arkanas, in fact an old 7mag when it ws first introduced and it had a stainless barrel mated to a blued action. the stainless was plated, but the plating has long since worn off. Its been shot sooo many times, that after the first two or three shots,, the bullets really start to wander.. I think everyone in my family has killed a deer with it.

My next rifle if i can ever swing it, will be built on a mauser.

[littletoes]

Well, I know you and me have kept this thread going...perhaps too far?

But I'm thinking that Remington of yours, that has been shot so much would make a great custom job....you already have the action, why not start there and bring an old friend back to life?

What caliber were you thinking?

[MountainWalk]

well the problem is, its 2570 sumthing miles away sitting in a safe in Arkansas.. Im wanting to build a 375 ruger.. thought awefully hard of doing a 375hh on my p-17 enfield,, but, its an American war relic and has too much history for me to breakdown. besides,, its a heavy sonofabuck.. i just like the 30-06 case size of the 375 ruger.

[littletoes]

Since the rifle is a personal possesion of yours, it can be mailed directly to YOU, and you do not need the services of someone with an FFL.

That puts the price around $80 for mailing depending on what type of insurance you use.

US Postage is usualy the cheapest....

I'm not sure what bolt face will be needed for the 375, I DID like the way my friends shot....never considered a Big Bore before now.

[MountainWalk]

Good point, it just that I really dont want it to be altered. The rifle I envision will be Parkerized. Its ugly, but the stuff is amazing, and i like the looks of it. The rifle was my g-pas, and while he would have no problem with me changing it around, he's dead and id like to keep it as he gave it to me. Normally im not so sentimental about guns, but this one is an exception. Im wanting to find a mauser action and go from there. How do you like the sights on teh new ruger 375's? I think they are bitchin.