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Is this pattern sufficient?
« on: March 29, 2012, 07:10:58 PM »
Are these patterns sufficient?

So I went to the hills yesterday to pattern my 20 gauge fixed modified choke. ( know i should have a full choke but its fixed )  Here is the best I got.  I tried federal 7/8oz game loads in #6, then Remington 1oz loads in #6.  On average the Remington out shot the federals (as expected.)  Then I tried kent diamond shot loads.  They are 3 inch magnums packing 1 1/4 oz of standard lead shot in #5.  These performed the best.  But still not what I was hoping for. 

I checked most of my local stores for federals flite control loads, but didn't have any luck unfortunately. 

Here is a few pictures so you can help me decide if this pattern is sufficient.  The first two are from 20 yards, the second two are from 25 yards. 

Please excuse my stupid attempt at drawing something resembling a turkey head neck  :chuckle:  I don't know what size they are because Ive never hunted turkey.  I put a beer can next to the paper for relevance.


20 yards 1st attempt


20 yards 2nd attempt


25 yards 1st attempt


25 yards 2nd attempt

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Re: Is this pattern sufficient?
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 07:15:02 PM »
No way!! That paper should be absolutley peppered!! Invest in a good choke cuz a pattern like that wont get the job done agaisnt a tough bird.
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Re: Is this pattern sufficient?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2012, 07:29:36 PM »

This may help you...



Turkey Hunt Patterning Preparation


By Randy Wakeman


The eternal question of what gun, load and choke tube is most suitable for turkey is a question with no universal answer. We have the “more is more” school of thinking that suggests that if 10 pellets into the head and neck of a turkey kills it, well, 50 pellets into the head and neck must make it deader. That’s one theory.

Another approach is a bit more realistic. Understanding that it only takes one pellet with sufficient penetration in the right spot, we look for sufficient average pattern dispersion that ensures as close as possible to a 100% probability of a two-pellet lethal hit. We don’t look for this pattern on a one-time basis, we look for a sequence of five consecutive patterns that show what we want.

Taking into consideration that turkeys are taken at various ranges, we pattern at the maximum range at which we intend to shoot. We also don’t focus entirely on a static outline of a turkey head; we look for reasonable pellet count above, below, to the left and to the right of our target to allow for turkey movement, range variances and the human factor.

A preferred turkey pattern is a horribly bad wingshooting pattern, far too tight to eat what we shoot. The general goal of a wingshooting pattern is maximum effective pattern, not one that gimps our ability to cleanly take birds. While evenness of, say, a 20 inch pattern, particularly the fringe areas, is worth some consideration, it isn’t relevant to productive turkey popping.

A typical patterning day around here includes half a dozen shotguns, many more types of shells and countless choke tubes. Things don’t always work as advertised, as marked and certainly not as expected. We did settle on two combinations that we particularly liked; one a 12 gauge gun shooting Winchester HD shells and the other a 20 gauge gun, also shooting Winchester HD shells.



The pattern on the left is representative of what we liked from our Browning Silver 20 gauge gun, using an Extra Full Trulock Invector-plus Precision Hunter Extended choke with a 1-1/8 oz. load of Winchester HD #5 shot. We think Winchester is missing the boat by not offering this load with #6 HD shot. As the HD pellets are denser than lead, #6 HD is more than sufficient for 40 to 45 yard use and would substantially up the pellet count with no downside. We keep hoping; perhaps one day the folks at Olin will listen.

Regardless, we were impressed that our 1-1/8 oz. 20 gauge load averaged 83 pellets into our 8-1/2 x 11 targets with the George Trulock PH EF extended choke. We tried a bit tight PH choke, a “TKY” with a .585 inch exit diameter. A few patterns gave us a better pellet count, but more gave us slightly less. We finally settled on the Extra Full tube (.595 exit diameter) as being more consistent overall.

With our Browning Gold 12 gauge, the tighter “TKY” choke gave us better results, managing 115 #5 HD pellets into the target above. In this case, the exit diameter of the 12 gauge Invector Plus Trulock Precision Hunter tube is .670 inches.

We can make a few generalizations from our pattern testing, with the cautionary note that all guns pattern differently, sometimes quite differently. While we had had extremely good results with Winchester HD loads to date, more payload does not always equal more pellets on target. Nor does a larger gauge always mean more pattern efficiency. Our 12 gauge Browning Gold did put more pellets on the target, but the 20 gauge patterned more efficiently.

With the average 83 pellets from 20 gauge 1-1/8 oz. load, the shot count was increased by just over 55% by going to the 1-3/4 oz. 12 gauge load. We didn’t get 55% more hits on target, though. We improved, obviously, but the jump in pellet count averaged 38%, not commensurate with the increased pellet count (or recoil, for that matter). Thus, there are some diminishing returns evident in our results.

Increased constriction is not linear to increased pattern percentage. Our 12 gauge has approximately .070 in. of constriction versus our more efficiently patterning 20 gauge with only half that constriction, at about .035 inch. As noted, more constriction in the 20 gauge sent patterns the other way.

“Nobody knows nothing” (attributed to William Goldman) is a saying about Hollywood, but it is just as appropriately applied to shotgun patterns. Nobody knows nothing about nothing, until they decide to pattern individual guns, shells and choke tubes. That’s when twenty gauge guns might prove to be more efficient than 12 gauges and half the constriction might net you a more than previous assumptions have led you to believe.
 



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Re: Is this pattern sufficient?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2012, 07:43:52 PM »
Thanks yelp.  Useful info there I think ill try to order some flite control loads and give em a shot. Like bobcat recommended.
 

Modified:  just ordered a box of federals copper plated #6 1 5/16 oz ammo, and a box of federals heavyshot #6 1 1/2oz.  Both have the flite control wad.  Fingers crossed.
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Re: Is this pattern sufficient?
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2012, 08:31:00 AM »
Hey if you are anywhere near Puyallup, I was just in Sportman's Warehouse the other day.  They had the 20 gauge Federal Flight Control Wad load in 20 gauge ( I think) #4 and #5 shot.  Call first to make sure I'm not sniffing glue.

Might check out http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/.  They have a 20 gauge specific area.  I've learned a lot there.
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Re: Is this pattern sufficient?
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 10:16:05 AM »
Just a note that there are many websites that you can print turkey targets from ... just Google "free turkey targets".

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Re: Is this pattern sufficient?
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2012, 01:16:14 PM »
My first 2yrs hunting gobblers I used a full choke barrel with Remington 4x6 3inch shells and got a fairly decent pattern and I still shoot the same shells today in my mossberg 835 extra full choke with great success. Maybe give them a try they are fairly cheap to shoot and knock the snot out of birds.

 


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