Down goes illuminated nocks!

[NWWABOWHNTR]

Chase 1.... please re-read this in regards to the flawed survey.... hunters opinions? Over 1000 letters, emails against lighted nocks and electronics were submitted to the Commission in regards to this by bowhunters that felt strongly enough to do so.  Were any of you that are upset at the Commission meeting in Moses Lake? I didn't see one person testify on Saturday "FOR" it...


there seemed to be some issues with the survey and the accuracy.  The parameters for getting a survey was supposed to be elk and deer license for the previous ( I think?) 3 years, however hundreds if not thousands of bowhunters who met those parameters did not receive the survey, including some very influential people within our State government.  If you look, out of the 24,000 that met the surveys requirements only 10% answered, that raised many an eyebrow.   As Matt stated above there are alternatives on the market of legal lighted nocks, no batteries. 


Phool,
you seem to only read the parts you want and then accuse those of us against the lit nocks of hypocrisy, as we have stated, first and foremost it is the electronics, it also was argued that lit nocks could be used in low light conditions possibly making a border line ethical hunter take a less than ethical lowlight shot.  AS Matt has stated the unethical will do it anyway.  There are legal alternatives, but I guess a couple people (not you) are not going to get the benefits of being a close friend of Lumenok's now.

[pianoman9701]

First of all, there was no vote of hunters on this issue. It was a poll. Secondly, regardless of the number of letters received against luminocks (or in support), the poll reflected that an overwhelming majority of hunters support luminocks. I assume that all of those who wrote letters also participated in the poll. If you didn't, your non-participation isn't my concern. Finally, the commission does whatever it wants, in line with a philosophy of divide and conquer WA hunter groups, and in line with the wishes of our liberal governor (in fact, a line of liberal governors) who I believe wants to see hunting at least severely reduced in WA, if not eliminated. They have not a care in the world what the hunters of this state want. They have their marching orders. The polls are meant to pacify the masses and make us think they give a crap what we want. They do not!

[Matt]

 You hypocrites can't seem get this simple question answered. First you say lighted nocks will be the doom of all archery hunting and then out the other sides of your mouths you say glow sticks or lighted fletching is ok. So which is it? How are glow in the dark fletching or chemically lighted nocks any different? Wont shots be taken in "less than favorible conditions" with these too? How are these acceptable? Is it just batteries you have issues with?

Talk about missing the point.  It has nothing to do with a lighted nock.  It has to do with leave electronics off of our equipment so that no one can say that we are not a "primative" weapon anymore so lets limit their time in the woods.  You guys are playing with that twitching tail of the tiger.  Keep doin it and we are gonna get bit.

[TommyH]

There you go, problem solved and both camps are happy.

There is a pipe dream.  Make everyone happy. LOL

  People need to realise that those of us that fought so hard to prevent the passing of lighted nocks are not against the nock at all.  Most of us do feel that the arguements behind it to be passed are quite silly but the actual use of the nock is a mute point.

  The real point is the fact that we enjoy more time in the woods hunting because we are still categorized as a primative weapon.  If we keep pushing technology (electronics) on our equipment then we will surely start losing more of those days in the woods.  Even though these gimmicks will not actually help us harvest more game it will be percieved by other user groups and more importantly the general public that it does aid us, thus they will take away what we cherrish and that is 2 long hunting seasons.

  Washington isn't like other states in the east that are over run by deer and they are doing and allowing everything possible to control the herd.  Out west we get to harvest one animal of each species and the manufacturers like luminock need to realize this and leave our regulations alone.  They could careless if we lose days, they just want to sell their goods.  That's my rant

 

[Snapshot]

The nock isn't the problem! Electronics on bows and/or arrows is the problem! The rule has been no electronics for twenty-five years; and the wedge-drivers are those who want to change that. If they'd leave the rules alone we could get onto important matters like seasons.

Yes, steelywhopper, our state has thusfar been better than allowing broadheads that can fail and electronics in bowhunting. More power to them!

I think what gnaws some who are whining for electric nocks more than anything is that their homegrown hunting videos don't look as cool as Texans' homegrown hunting videos. If the industry can't shove it's electric nocks down every state's throat then they'll go back to the drawing board and come out with a fibre-optic nock that will work as well or better than any non-electric nock on the market now. In the meantime the glow sticks will show up well enough when the sun goes down that any arrow not buried in duff can be found. IF the shots were shortened up far fewer arrows would be lost anyway...

[Snapshot]

As far as other states allowing the use of lighted nocks, there are allot of things that Washington does different than other states and in most cases that is a good thing, because our human population and wildlife population are different than other states.

 

[popeshawnpaul]

First of all, there was no vote of hunters on this issue. It was a poll. Secondly, regardless of the number of letters received against luminocks (or in support), the poll reflected that an overwhelming majority of hunters support luminocks. I assume that all of those who wrote letters also participated in the poll. If you didn't, your non-participation isn't my concern. Finally, the commission does whatever it wants, in line with a philosophy of divide and conquer WA hunter groups, and in line with the wishes of our liberal governor (in fact, a line of liberal governors) who I believe wants to see hunting at least severely reduced in WA, if not eliminated. They have not a care in the world what the hunters of this state want. They have their marching orders. The polls are meant to pacify the masses and make us think they give a crap what we want. They do not!

I didn't think we agreed on anything but good post, right on point. 

Chase1, I agree with about 98% of what you are saying.  Great perspective.  There are some elitist attitudes from some archers that harm bow-hunting and any chance of unity among groups.  As they say, it all starts at the top.

[Snapshot]

Chase 1.... please re-read this in regards to the flawed survey.... hunters opinions? Over 1000 letters, emails against lighted nocks and electronics were submitted to the Commission in regards to this by bowhunters that felt strongly enough to do so.  Were any of you that are upset at the Commission meeting in Moses Lake? I didn't see one person testify on Saturday "FOR" it...

I have to correct you there, NWW...; there was one in the room on that Friday who testified in favor of an exception for electric nocks. The others, the working men who took time off to be there on the appointed date at the appointed time, spoke against it.

[pianoman9701]

You hypocrites can't seem get this simple question answered. First you say lighted nocks will be the doom of all archery hunting and then out the other sides of your mouths you say glow sticks or lighted fletching is ok. So which is it? How are glow in the dark fletching or chemically lighted nocks any different? Wont shots be taken in "less than favorible conditions" with these too? How are these acceptable? Is it just batteries you have issues with?

The state loves this stuff, especially the commission. Huntnphool, you'll probably get your picture up on the wildlife commission's meeting room wall as their poster child. I think they really love it when we call each other names over something as small as luminocks and stay divided. Wait until there's a really important issue. They'll just sit back and watch us fight while they create laws and plans to ruin our hunting. Without a unified front, we're powerless to oppose them. Nice work! 

[NWWABOWHNTR]

 There are some elitist attitudes from some archers that harm bow-hunting and any chance of unity among groups.  As they say, it all starts at the top.


Now that right there is funny.... 

[Matt]

I have to correct you there, NWW...; there was one in the room on that Friday who testified in favor of an exception for electric nocks. The others, the working men who took time off to be there on the appointed date at the appointed time, spoke against it.

Yeah she was from the trappers association.  WTH do they care about electronics on archery equipment. LOL  Not to mention that she pretty much just quoted the BS that was in the article from the Spokane paper.  None of her statement made any sense nor had any real relevance.

[BULLBLASTER]

Its legal in other states so it ought to be legal here. What makes our deer or elk any different from other states. Are they too good for lighted nocks or expandable broadheads?

Just my opinion...

Maybe we need to outlaw hunting with centerfire rifles because other states don't allow it. And Sunday hunting also... your logic is flawed.
I didn't really care either way but all the people who are complaining about these not being allowed have turned me against allowing them... I want them to stay illegal now. 

[Chase 1]

There are some elitist attitudes from some archers that harm bow-hunting and any chance of unity among groups.  As they say, it all starts at the top.


Now that right there is funny....

Care to elaborate? I missed the joke.

[Chase 1]

Chase 1.... please re-read this in regards to the flawed survey.... hunters opinions? Over 1000 letters, emails against lighted nocks and electronics were submitted to the Commission in regards to this by bowhunters that felt strongly enough to do so.  Were any of you that are upset at the Commission meeting in Moses Lake? I didn't see one person testify on Saturday "FOR" it...

That was one of several ways to address the issue with the Commission, so that argument holds little water. The WDFW response to your comment was...

"While the survey was not random, it is our
belief that a significant majority of archers
support illuminated nocks. Our belief is largely
based on our experience and the large number
of respondents (3000+)."

So your saying that all the sportsman that couldn't take a day off work should not have a say on the matter? C' on Man. 

[Snapshot]

There are some elitist attitudes from some archers that harm bow-hunting and any chance of unity among groups.  As they say, it all starts at the top.


Now that right there is funny....

Care to elaborate? I missed the joke.

It's like the pot calling the kettle black...