Down goes illuminated nocks!

[Curly]

Ok, if he's talking about inlines with sealed breech and 209 primers...........no way in hell should those be allowed in a primitive season.  Not a whole lot of difference between that rifle and a modern rifle.   

[steeleywhopper]

I guess Washington's animals are too good for lighted nocks. This state is friggin stupid. Seems that this state makes laws and rules based off the "what if's". "what if people take shots later in the evenings that are unethical" who gives a rip! In the great state of Washmyass we are guilty until proven innocent. How about we try it out for a couple of years and see how many more instances we have people cited for shooting alumanocks after shooting hours. I doubt you will see a increase. My opinion and it won't change......

[pianoman9701]

 

[buckfvr]

How is it so many bow hunters just can NOT grasp the primative weapon concept ?  They can read it , but they cant fully understand what it means.  They just want what they want , with out regards to what changes will result from allowing changes to the original negotiated reasons for seperate archery seasons to begin with.   

[pianoman9701]

How is it so many bow hunters just can NOT grasp the primative weapon concept ?  They can read it , but they cant fully understand what it means.  They just want what they want , with out regards to what changes will result from allowing changes to the original negotiated reasons for seperate archery seasons to begin with.   

Unless you're hunting with obsidian broadheads that you chiseled yourself, you don't grasp it either. If you use manufactured arrows, even just the manufactured shafts, you're using something non-primitive. If your string didn't come from the gut of an animal that you killed, you're using innovations. Why can't you grasp that?

The fact is that it's just another innovation, and not even one that makes it easier to kill, like synthetic strings and aluminum arrows. Like I've said before, I don't care if they don't allow them. But please don't get all high horse about what people don't grasp just because you think you're more primitive than the next. You're not.

[Machias]

How is it so many bow hunters just can NOT grasp the primative weapon concept ?  They can read it , but they cant fully understand what it means.  They just want what they want , with out regards to what changes will result from allowing changes to the original negotiated reasons for seperate archery seasons to begin with.   

Unless you're hunting with obsidian broadheads that you chiseled yourself, you don't grasp it either. If you use manufactured arrows, even just the manufactured shafts, you're using something non-primitive. If your string didn't come from the gut of an animal that you killed, you're using innovations. Why can't you grasp that?

The fact is that it's just another innovation, and not even one that makes it easier to kill, like synthetic strings and aluminum arrows. Like I've said before, I don't care if they don't allow them. But please don't get all high horse about what people don't grasp just because you think you're more primitive than the next. You're not.

Says the man who posted this.     

[buckfvr]

Pman.....you dont follow either....when the rules were made, there were compounds and aluminum shafts, and so on.....read the post and try vainly to understand, and let go of the smart ass BS.......dumb ass.

[h20hunter]

Thats right! You tell him! Call him names and swear like a sailor! Yeah......get some....get some!!!

Haven't we done this once before?

[Snapshot]

Now, now, kids. Play nice.

[dscubame]

How is it so many bow hunters just can NOT grasp the primative weapon concept ?  They can read it , but they cant fully understand what it means.  They just want what they want , with out regards to what changes will result from allowing changes to the original negotiated reasons for seperate archery seasons to begin with.   

What is primitive about today's archery equipment?

[huntnphool]

The resolution is staring everyone right in the face: leave the current archery rules alone. Forget about changing them and move on to the other issues.

 This is the same arrogant type of attitude in the white house that has 70% of the people in this country so pissed off, that it doesn't matter what the overwhelming majority wants, some feel that they know better than the majority so its the majority that should conform to the opinions of the few, in this case Obamacare.

 Why should us 85% be the ones that "forget about changing them and move on to other issues"? If the other issues are really what we should be uniting against, then why don't those that fought so hard against luminoks just let it go and fight the fight of what really matters? What gives you the right to dictate what the archery hunters in this state fight for and what their majority stance is on any given issue? You are not in a elected position to represent the opinion of the collective archery hunters in this state and your opinion should be considered no more than any one archery hunter on this site or in this state.

 You blow smoke with unfounded speculation that we either leave the luminok rule the way it is or lose opportunity, when it has NEVER been the commissions or the departments stance that we choose one or the other. All it is is scare tactics by you and your supporters. Show me where either the department or the commission have ever officially taken this stance.

 Even if we all agree to let it die and move on to those other important issues, as Chase1 brought up, why should we believe that anything we bring to the table will be considered in good faith? The decision makers clearly don't hold in regard the recommendations of the department, GMAC or the hunters.

[Chase 1]

  You took the words right out of my mouth. I was going to respond but I wanted to listen to the Commission meeting first and soak up all the insight and knowledge on the issue from the few opponents that spoke at the meeting. No big surprise, I didn't find much. The only testimony that made much sense to me came from BJ Thornly representing the WSTA. Her testimony was thoughtful and genuine. The rest of it was flimsy and made to sound as if they were speaking as representatives of the archer community...but your not!! All you have really managed to do is keep it out one more year. Unfortunately you have also managed to rile the 85%+ archers that are in favor of this.   

[Curly]

Even if we all agree to let it die and move on to those other important issues, as Chase1 brought up, why should we believe that anything we bring to the table will be considered in good faith? The decision makers clearly don't hold in regard the recommendations of the department, GMAC or the hunters.

Exactly.  Why would GMAC members even bother wasting their time anymore meeting on issues when it really doesn't matter what they recommend?  Or, why should hunters even bother taking the time to vote in WDFW polls when it seems that it doesn't matter what the poll results are?

[huntnphool]

Or, why should hunters even bother taking the time to vote in WDFW polls when it seems that it doesn't matter what the poll results are?

 Don't give up on the department quite yet. I have been as critical of them as anyone over the years, but in their defence they took the results of the poll seriously and were recommending to the commission that luminoks be legalized. It was the commission that didn't listen.

 On another note, I think the reason Snapshot is so quick to have everyone drop the issue and accept the results is because he knows the final vote by the commission was minus one member, one member that he knows is in favor of luminoks. Unfortunately for those of us that want them legalized, that member was out of town for the vote but will likely be there should we get it brought to the table again, I don't think Snapshot wants another vote.

 They did say they were going to table it for now and discuss it again for next year. Well "next year" actually started the 15th of this month, time to get back in the fight.

[Snapshot]

All it is is scare tactics by you and your supporters.

I don't have any supporters, Phool. There are supporters of bowhunting and I stand along side them. And then there are people that don't give a rip about whether bowhunting survives for their grandkids or not, and their rash, unthoughtful actions are harmful to bowhunting. They are the opportunists; people who care only about their best chance to kill something. It doesn't matter to them whether they use a compound or some other weapon. They are not the type who'd carry their bow if they were to draw a once-in-a-lifetime moose tag. Would you? I sure as hell would.

The entirety of bowhunters is not in 85% percent support for electronics in archery, and anyone who says they are is a dreamer or, if they know better, then a liar. That 85% number that has been paraded around is out of the only 10% that bothered to respond at all to the poll, and the poll only went to the people that the Big Game Manager, Dave Ware, decided they should go to. His criteria was that the people had to have bought an archery deer tag for just two consecutive years; how representative is that of the populace? And there were a lot of people who met that criteria that didn't get to partake in the poll. It excluded anyone who didn't have an email address! Fact!

And you talk about scare tactics, but you conjure up Obama's name in drawing an analogy. Jeez, try crying 'wolf'. Just how stupid do you think people are?

Good faith in the commission? What they decided was consistent with what they decided at the last three-year season-setting meeting when they toed the line on muzzleloader technology.