Down goes illuminated nocks!

[Chase 1]

Anyone hear about the proposal to outlaw string silencers? 

Yeah... but after archers polled 85% in favor, and the GMAC, WSB, and WDFW approved the change... the commissioners rejected it. 

Wrong again... you would think you would know your own organizations stand... WSB did not approve.

  You know everyone hates those dam string silencers! 

At least we know that your missing a sense of humor? 

Now how about those details on the 10,000 signatures filed with the Commission?

[Snapshot]

As for the status quo... if that held water there would be no archery seasons. 

Kin you s'plain that fer me real slow? Cuz I don't git that a'tall...

[Snapshot]

I am not trying to change the status quo. If unity was really so important the status quo would not be challenged because it isn't broke. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 Another poorly thought out comment Snapshot, even our founding fathers knew that times change and with it so must we, that is why we have amendments to our constitution.

 Are you suggesting that our dept. believes they got everything perfect when the original set of rules were adopted and they would never require amending? Come on, even they understood it would evolve over time.

Go ahead and insult my thinking; have fun with that.

Fifty years ago bowhunting was the true test of a woodsman/hunter; it was damned difficult. Seasons were carved out that provided lots of time in the field because of how difficult bowhunting was. These days there are people getting into bowhunting because they like the seasons but they do not really like everything that bowhunting involves; they want to change the rules.

Did you know that it was bowhunters who wrote, proposed and saw passed the current archery rule that keeps electronics out of Washington’s bowhunting season? They were forward thinking men who saw where commerce was leading bowhunting, and recognized that manufacturers didn’t have bowhunting’s long-term interests at heart. Twenty-five years have passed since then and now in many places across North America there isn’t much if any regulation on what electronics can or can’t be used in bowhunting seasons. There are nineteen states and provinces that have allowed the crossbow full inclusion during general archery seasons. Washington is one of the few places the founding fathers of bowhunting could come back to and recognize what it is they started.

[Chase 1]

As for the status quo... if that held water there would be no archery seasons. 

Kin you s'plain that fer me real slow? Cuz I don't git that a'tall...

As stated there was a time when there was no archery season. If status quo would have been kept intact then there still wouldn't be.

Your position is crystal clear, you don't want electronics of any kind in archery. You want traditional equipment only and you are oppose to change of any kind. Bout sum it up?

Problem is you don't get to decide for everyone, just for yourself. When 85% of archers feel differently than you that a change is exceptable because of the inconsequential nature of that change, then it should be made. If said electronic affected season length, harvest rate, opportunity, allocation, available units to hunt,or others ability to enjoy the outdoors, then I'm with you. But it doesn't!

[Snapshot]

Your position is crystal clear, you don't want electronics of any kind in archery. You want traditional equipment only and you are oppose to change of any kind. Bout sum it up?

Correct on the first charge; yes it is that simple. With all due respect, on the second. As to the third I will only suggest (and I'm stealing this from a friend because I think it fits) a frog doesn't jump out of a pan of water that is slowly heating because any change he might sense isn't perceived as a threat; but once the point of no return is reached, he can't get out. I think bowhunting is already the cooked frog in places that have an "anything goes" attitude about what can be used in general bowhunting seasons. And I don't think everyplace else has to follow that path.

[Webfoot]

Well said Mr Snapshot.
I agree wholeheartedly with your position on archery hunting.
If I had my way there would be no compound bows, even though I do own one.
I feel the same way about muzzle loaders. The muzzleloaders of today were not what the people had in mind when they made special seasons for them either.

John

[TikkaT3-270Shortmag]

If we allow electronics in archery we will open a new can of worms. It's fine how it is without the nocks.

[ribka]

Great reply.Some of the newer archery hunters are so attracted to new pretty shiny things they do not understand  (or do not care) by allowing more technology into primitive seasons that our season will be shortened or cancelled.

Your position is crystal clear, you don't want electronics of any kind in archery. You want traditional equipment only and you are oppose to change of any kind. Bout sum it up?

Correct on the first charge; yes it is that simple. With all due respect, on the second. As to the third I will only suggest (and I'm stealing this from a friend because I think it fits) a frog doesn't jump out of a pan of water that is slowly heating because any change he might sense isn't perceived as a threat; but once the point of no return is reached, he can't get out. I think bowhunting is already the cooked frog in places that have an "anything goes" attitude about what can be used in general bowhunting seasons. And I don't think everyplace else has to follow that path.

[huntnphool]

Great reply.Some of the newer archery hunters are so attracted to new pretty shiny things they do not understand  (or do not care) by allowing more technology into primitive seasons that our season will be shortened or cancelled.

 And here we go, ribka is drinking Snapshots kool-aid and spewing more of their left wing scare tactics without a single shred of evidence or documentation to back their bull *censored* speculation.

 WDFW has NEVER suggested an ultimatum for archery hunters to either choose modern gear or lose days in the field, don't fall for Snapshots crap. If you go back and read the entire thread, as well as any other luminok thread, you will see Snapshot always diverts the questions, and attempts to change the subject rather than admit that season dates and luminoks have NEVER been a "one or the other" with the Dept or the commision!

[Chase 1]

Your position is crystal clear, you don't want electronics of any kind in archery. You want traditional equipment only and you are oppose to change of any kind. Bout sum it up?

Correct on the first charge; yes it is that simple. With all due respect, on the second. As to the third I will only suggest (and I'm stealing this from a friend because I think it fits) a frog doesn't jump out of a pan of water that is slowly heating because any change he might sense isn't perceived as a threat; but once the point of no return is reached, he can't get out. I think bowhunting is already the cooked frog in places that have an "anything goes" attitude about what can be used in general bowhunting seasons. And I don't think everyplace else has to follow that path.

Your cute little fos emo says liar and I can't figure where that is? Are you referring to when I said you don't get to decide for everyone, just you? Too bad, felt like the conversation had really been kept above board. Soon as the issue gets down to bare bones, and all the fun facts, creative stats, and misinformation is dispelled as the smoke screen it is, you and NW revert your argument to insults. 

Like I said, my goal and willingness to confront the issue has never been to change you or anyone elses opinion. I have no intrest in that. Your entitled to one and I respect that. I also respect your right to discuss your position in a way that tries and change other peoples opinion. What I have had a problem with is how "politically creative" a slim few have been in an attempt to over shout the majority of archers. Not really willing to sit idly by and watch the collective voices of the archery community hijacked by a small contingent of an extreme fraction of the total. So thank you, thanks for helping me decide where to focus part of my efforts in the coming year.   

[Chase 1]

Great reply.Some of the newer archery hunters are so attracted to new pretty shiny things they do not understand  (or do not care) by allowing more technology into primitive seasons that our season will be shortened or cancelled.

You could be right. If my 26 years of flingin arrows isn't enough to give me an opinion than let me know how many more I need before I get one.

Can you please let everyone know, especially archers, what it is that archers will be losing for time in the field, opportunity, or  canceled seasons when this is approved?

Don't you see by now that it's not enough to just say something to make it true?

[Snapshot]

Your position is crystal clear, you don't want electronics of any kind in archery. You want traditional equipment only and you are oppose to change of any kind. Bout sum it up?

Correct on the first charge; yes it is that simple. With all due respect, on the second. As to the third I will only suggest (and I'm stealing this from a friend because I think it fits) a frog doesn't jump out of a pan of water that is slowly heating because any change he might sense isn't perceived as a threat; but once the point of no return is reached, he can't get out. I think bowhunting is already the cooked frog in places that have an "anything goes" attitude about what can be used in general bowhunting seasons. And I don't think everyplace else has to follow that path.

Your cute little fos emo says liar and I can't figure where that is?

To clarify, you made three assertions, concluding with "Bout sum it up?" I answered each; first, second and then third, in order.

[Snapshot]

Great reply.Some of the newer archery hunters are so attracted to new pretty shiny things they do not understand  (or do not care) by allowing more technology into primitive seasons that our season will be shortened or cancelled.

You could be right. If my 26 years of flingin arrows isn't enough to give me an opinion than let me know how many more I need before I get one.

Can you please let everyone know, especially archers, what it is that archers will be losing for time in the field, opportunity, or  canceled seasons when this is approved?

Don't you see by now that it's not enough to just say something to make it true?

I am not a flippin' fortune teller. But look to the east for clues; no controls what-so-ever on electronic gadgets in many places, crossbows in nineteen states. Those places didn't start with all that crap in general bowhunting seasons; they showed up one at a time. Unless you are selling archery gadgets I just don't understand what you stand to gain to push for change. 

[Matt]

Fifty years ago bowhunting was the true test of a woodsman/hunter; it was damned difficult. Seasons were carved out that provided lots of time in the field because of how difficult bowhunting was. These days there are people getting into bowhunting because they like the seasons but they do not really like everything that bowhunting involves; they want to change the rules.

Did you know that it was bowhunters who wrote, proposed and saw passed the current archery rule that keeps electronics out of Washington’s bowhunting season? They were forward thinking men who saw where commerce was leading bowhunting, and recognized that manufacturers didn’t have bowhunting’s long-term interests at heart. Twenty-five years have passed since then and now in many places across North America there isn’t much if any regulation on what electronics can or can’t be used in bowhunting seasons. There are nineteen states and provinces that have allowed the crossbow full inclusion during general archery seasons. Washington is one of the few places the founding fathers of bowhunting could come back to and recognize what it is they started.

This is how more "bowhunters" need to think 

[Matt]

Bowhunters should be spending all this energy preserving what we have.  Like I have said, I agree that the legal equipment of todays archery equipment is not truely primitive and that a lot of technology has been allowed.  I don't know for a fact that we will lose days in the woods because of electronics on our equipment but I don't want to take that chance either.  This tiny little nock issue WILL and I am certain of this, open up the flood gates to more.  Because then the argument of no electronics on archery equipment is lost to prevent more.

Instead of taking the approach that 85% want it (which in my oppinion is not how the decision should be made), the approach should be that only equipment that will help the archer take game in a more humane and ethical way be considered (electronics does not fill this requirement).  Just like we don't allow things that help one draw or hold the bow at full draw.  The goal here is not to kill more animals, nor is it to chunk out small parts of the state just for archery like the WDFW does for fly fishing.  The goal here is to be able to enjoy our sport with it's current seasons.  Archery is not meant for every one.  You have to have certain skills and abilities to be able to archery hunt ethically.  It takes a ton of commitment and practice.  The guy that picks his bow up for the first time a week before the season and has 3 different arrows in his quiver is a major part of the 85%.  Unfortunately there are a large number of people in the woods during archery season that are not ready to bowhunt.

I view the electronic nock as a disease carrying tick.  In itself it appears as something small and harmless.  But potentially it can be disasterous.  If this is the chance that you want to take then fight for it but remember that once the line has been crossed there is no going back.  Just something to think about instead of insulting each other.