Down goes illuminated nocks!

[JLS]

Because it affects all of us by potentially affecting season length.  I care more about my season length than someone being allowed to use lighted nocks.

If you can convince the commish they should be allowed, then fine.  I won't support it, however arrogant that may seem.  I've said it before, electronics on archery equipment is a slippery slope and I am perfectly fine operating within the Pope and Young constraints.

Good for you, that's great. I frankly don't really care about records. And you cannot make the argument that it affects the season length cause that hasn't happened yet.

Nor can you argue it'll increase recoveries, because it hasn't happened yet.

[turkeyfeather]

Yep 34 years of bowhunting, totally clueless. 


TF do you rifle hunt?  Use tracer rounds?  How in the world do you know where you hit your animal or when to start recovery/tracking?  That's right you go to the spot where the animal was standing and you read sign.

One last thing. Just cause you have been bow hunting for 30+ years or have 10,000+ plus posts doesnt mean you right or you know better. It likely means your just stubborn and opposed to change.

[JLS]

Because it affects all of us by potentially affecting season length.

Thats BS and you know it. WDFW has NEVER changed seasons or threatened to change seasons in lieu of modernized equipment. Show me where this has happened or threatened by the use of lighted nocks and ill change my stance, until then your scare tactics are complete fear mongering rhetoric.

Notice I said potentially, as in something that MAY happen as a result but hasn't yet?  It's not a chance I'm willing to take.

[turkeyfeather]

Because it affects all of us by potentially affecting season length.  I care more about my season length than someone being allowed to use lighted nocks.

If you can convince the commish they should be allowed, then fine.  I won't support it, however arrogant that may seem.  I've said it before, electronics on archery equipment is a slippery slope and I am perfectly fine operating within the Pope and Young constraints.

Good for you, that's great. I frankly don't really care about records. And you cannot make the argument that it affects the season length cause that hasn't happened yet.

Nor can you argue it'll increase recoveries, because it hasn't happened yet.

I will look cause I do believe that there has been studies done that does in fact prove that. Either way how does it negatively affect you?

[JLS]

Yep 34 years of bowhunting, totally clueless. 


TF do you rifle hunt?  Use tracer rounds?  How in the world do you know where you hit your animal or when to start recovery/tracking?  That's right you go to the spot where the animal was standing and you read sign.

One last thing. Just cause you have been bow hunting for 30+ years or have 10,000+ plus posts doesnt mean you right or you know better. It likely means your just stubborn and opposed to change.

One last comment and I'm out for good.  You guys ask for why we are opposed to lighted nocks.  We tell you, and you're not satisfied.    I can accept the fact that you want them.  Seems that some folks can't accept the fact that others don't.

[pianoman9701]

Yep 34 years of bowhunting, totally clueless. 


TF do you rifle hunt?  Use tracer rounds?  How in the world do you know where you hit your animal or when to start recovery/tracking?  That's right you go to the spot where the animal was standing and you read sign.

One last thing. Just cause you have been bow hunting for 30+ years or have 10,000+ plus posts doesnt mean you right or you know better. It likely means your just stubborn and opposed to change.

One last comment and I'm out for good.  You guys ask for why we are opposed to lighted nocks.  We tell you, and you're not satisfied.    I can accept the fact that you want them.  Seems that some folks can't accept the fact that others don't.

And you not accepting why people think they Should be legal is different how?

[turkeyfeather]

Yep 34 years of bowhunting, totally clueless. 


TF do you rifle hunt?  Use tracer rounds?  How in the world do you know where you hit your animal or when to start recovery/tracking?  That's right you go to the spot where the animal was standing and you read sign.

One last thing. Just cause you have been bow hunting for 30+ years or have 10,000+ plus posts doesnt mean you right or you know better. It likely means your just stubborn and opposed to change.

One last comment and I'm out for good.  You guys ask for why we are opposed to lighted nocks.  We tell you, and you're not satisfied.    I can accept the fact that you want them.  Seems that some folks can't accept the fact that others don't.

I haven't seen a reason why one doesn't want them other than they don't or they would affect P&Y entries(which is not true if you dont use them) so your left with only one reason cause you don't want them. We that are for them have given several reasons in favor besides just cause we want them. You come up with a legitamate reason how they could be a negative and I will listen. But just cause you don't like them is not a good enough reason.

[huntnphool]

Because it affects all of us by potentially affecting season length.

Thats BS and you know it. WDFW has NEVER changed seasons or threatened to change seasons in lieu of modernized equipment. Show me where this has happened or threatened by the use of lighted nocks and ill change my stance, until then your scare tactics are complete fear mongering rhetoric.

Notice I said potentially, as in something that MAY happen as a result but hasn't yet?  It's not a chance I'm willing to take.

Well "potentially" they could result in less animals being killed each year, therefore resulting in getting our lost season dates back.

 We can "speculate" all day long, I choose to see the benefit of them "glass half full" as opposed to "glass half empty" fear mongering tactics used to support your baseless rhetoric.

[Machias]

huntnphool, is there anything in archery equipment you can't support?  If so why?  What if someone else wants it?  Where does it end?

TF, Sorry bud I thought you were asking why we didn't want to support them.  I didn't say anything about your post count or your years in archery.   Yes I have my idea of what is right and what is wrong, sorry that happens to you when you're old and cranky.   

So you guys would be for doing away with all equipment regulations, correct?

[huntnphool]

huntnphool, is there anything in archery equipment you can't support?  If so why?  What if someone else wants it?  Where does it end?

TF, Sorry bud I thought you were asking why we didn't want to support them.  I didn't say anything about your post count or your years in archery.   Yes I have my idea of what is right and what is wrong, sorry that happens to you when you're old and cranky.   

So you guys would be for doing away with all equipment regulations, correct?

I do not support laser sights, scopes, bow mounted range finders but would support a camera that had no viewfinder for the archer.

[JPhelps]

It shouldnt change hunting dates as the same amount of animals would still die.  This does nothing to assist how the lethal the arrow/broadhead combo are.

I also don't see how they greatly assist in recovery either.  So you find your arrow and can see/smell blood, guts, etc...  If you are unsure of the shot you would still wait before tracking.  You can't track without blood, tracks, broken sticks, trampled vegetation,etc... and all the combinations of those.  So on the ground you have the same information available to you.

I don't really want them to be legal but if they add confidence for some, I don't see the issue.  I think there has to be some limit to the technology.  What if there was a bow that could spit a 2000 gr. Arrow at 1000 fps with a scope so that 200 yard shots could be made when you had a good rest on your bow tripod???

[buckfvr]

Think about getting lighted nocks and that being what it takes to give traditional archers their own season....as in splitting current dates for archery ( modern ), into two seasons.  If you put your ear to the ground TF, thats what the talk has been for several years.....its a change in how they look at modern archery tackle and its being categorized as primative.  Trad gear will get their own primative season, and modern archers will loose up to half their season to accommodate a new trad season.

DOes that illuminate things for you

[huntnphool]

It shouldnt change hunting dates as the same amount of animals would still die.

every year there are animals killed by archers that can't locate the animal after the shot, some of those archers end up continuing their hunts and kill another one. If this can help eliminate this scenario just once then it's less animals being killed and worth it, IMO. And this is not to say that it doesn't happen with other user groups as well, we are talking about archery though.

I also don't see how they greatly assist in recovery either.

The word "greatly" is irrelevant, if it contributes to locating any animal that otherwise would not have been found then its justified, again JMO.

[huntnphool]

Think about getting lighted nocks and that being what it takes to give traditional archers their own season....as in splitting current dates for archery ( modern ), into two seasons.  If you put your ear to the ground TF, thats what the talk has been for several years.....its a change in how they look at modern archery tackle and its being categorized as primative.  Trad gear will get their own primative season, and modern archers will loose up to half their season to accommodate a new trad season.

DOes that illuminate things for you

More BS scare tactics, again WDFW has never said that. The same scenario could be made for firearms without scopes, should 30-30 lever action guys have their own season?  it won't happen.

[boneaddict]

but if they add confidence for some

This is the concern I had and what I believe people are speculating about unethical shots etc.  Its called over confidence.  OF COURSE its speculation of human behavior.   I'm probably just stupid or stubborn for thinking that might happen.

I wonder if they decided that those that hunt with them would have to hunt modern or lose two weeks of their season.   I wonder if folks would still support it as much.     

I'm still trying to figure out why Phool wants them so bad.  I know he doesn't need them.  I am starting to think he owns stock in the company, or has a wager with someone about them.   

TF, never called you stupid or was insinuating that in my post.  Glad you mentioned it, so you didn't go away thinking that.   


You come up with a legitamate reason how they could be a positive and I will listen. But just cause you like them is not a good enough reason.         remember just because its not legitamate to you doesn't mean it isn't to someone else and vice versa.