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Offline Machias Bowhunter

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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2012, 04:21:25 PM »
  will do.  Last week he went to court.  Game dept offered to lower the charge to big game poaching with the 500 dollar fine and loss of the license for two years.  He said no thanks.  I think he goes back in two weeks.
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How could they charge someone for big game poaching!! You have to actually shoot a animal to poach, if you didnt you could charge anyone carying a firearm in the woods with poaching! I dont know the facts but from working in a lawenforcment background there is sometimes more to the story then what is told. Not saying he was doing anything wrong, i do know there are some bad game wardens out there that  make the rest look lack jerks.

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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2012, 08:30:03 PM »
Isn't it guilty until proven innocent in this state?   :bash:

Where's Outdoor Guardian when you need him?  If this is the case, then anyone with bait in the woods for a trailcam is "poaching" or illegally baiting bears....   :dunno:  Except me, because we don't have bears in the islands.   :chuckle:

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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2012, 12:11:08 PM »

Where's Outdoor Guardian when you need him?

I'm here... I've read through the thread and will put together a response as soon as I can. I'm on the road today.

Seems like this was covered in another thread not too long ago...?

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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2012, 12:17:33 PM »
I'll be very interested in your opinion on this Gaurdian. I am of course the master baiter for the C-Post Santuary.

Kidding of course. I think you input on these matters is a big help for many of us.

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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2012, 02:31:23 PM »
Baiting deer and elk is legal, we know that. I am not going to weigh in on the case example because I don’t have any specifics about that case, and I would rather not debate a case or its circumstances while it's still active in a court of law....

But, I can tell you that officers have to develop probable cause to address the situation as an illegal bear bait site, i.e. facts and circumstances to lead a reasonable person to believe that a violation has been committed. Simply having bait present alone would likely not meet that threshold. Obviously if your intent is to bait deer, and a bear arrives and you kill it, that's another story (I'm not saying that's what happened in this case, just throwing that out as a hypothetical).

In other words, there is likely more to this story/case than we are reading about on this forum. We should wait until a court decision is rendered and the facts are heard before determining innocence or guilt -- for both the alleged violator and the Fish and Wildlife Officer. :twocents:

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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2012, 02:35:31 PM »
C'mon.....reserve judgement for both the alleged baiter AND the officer!!   Where is the fun in that?

Acutally I think you point is very well addressed and contains good advice. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2012, 05:43:31 PM »
I agree...seems there is more to the story than we are hearing.

On a side note :chuckle: ...has anyone else tried planting small food plots for BT and how did it work?
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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2012, 06:10:50 PM »
I googled this-up: Link

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I have a few food plots here in SW Washington. The blacktail love the clover, but I can see how they would go for the corn first.

I dont plant any grasses with my clover. Grass will take over the plot in a few years all on its own if left alone.

I used to buy my seed from Blacktail Specialties, but the last several years I just buy my clover seed from Coastal. They sell non blended seeds for somewhat less than half what the "Food Plot" companies charge.

I buy a 5# bag of each Crimson, Red, and White Clover. I think its maybe $10 a bag compared to the $100 for 8-10 pounds you will get from a "Food Plot" company.

Odds are they (food plot outfit) get thier seed from Oregon anyway.

http://www.oregonclover.org/seedproduction.html

If you realy want the Buckweat, snowpea, ect... type blend than Coastal sells a blend called "Garden Cover Blend"??? that is a blend of all these that does a decent job for a food plot. Its also about $10 for a 5# bag.

You can go to about any Feed and Farm type store and get Oregon grown and developed seeds for less than half what the "Food Plot" outfits charge.

Outside Pride will sell you about any type of clover you could grow in Oregon or Washington, Google them.

There is a guy that is a member on here that has a business called Blacktail Specialties  that sells some seed mixture for blacktails.  I think he goes by Dave BTS or something like that.
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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2012, 09:46:32 PM »
Baiting deer and elk is legal, we know that. I am not going to weigh in on the case example because I don’t have any specifics about that case, and I would rather not debate a case or its circumstances while it's still active in a court of law....

But, I can tell you that officers have to develop probable cause to address the situation as an illegal bear bait site, i.e. facts and circumstances to lead a reasonable person to believe that a violation has been committed. Simply having bait present alone would likely not meet that threshold. Obviously if your intent is to bait deer, and a bear arrives and you kill it, that's another story (I'm not saying that's what happened in this case, just throwing that out as a hypothetical).

In other words, there is likely more to this story/case than we are reading about on this forum. We should wait until a court decision is rendered and the facts are heard before determining innocence or guilt -- for both the alleged violator and the Fish and Wildlife Officer. :twocents: :dunno:

I thought there was something recently posted as well but could not remember.  My question was, taking on face value someone sitting in a tree deer hunting over bait, even with an unnotched bear tag in their pocket, would they have a reasonable expectation of NOT getting a ticket for bear hunting?   :dunno:  I generally have all of my transport tags together with my hunting license and would not think about removing my bear tag while sitting over an apple pile while deer hunting. 

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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2012, 10:10:57 PM »
There are some of my fellow archery club members that have talked about food plots and their effectiveness. They definitely Pull the does and the fawns. If you plant one, you are likely doing so to try and Whack a nice BT buck, not a doe.  :twocents: I have heard that Apple trees and Wild rose (hips) are best for attracting late season deer and bucks. That said i don't think much is worth the effort from what i have tried and what other archery club members have said they tried.  :twocents:
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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2012, 10:14:19 PM »
We have craploads of wild roses out here and they seem to eat everything BUT them.

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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2012, 10:25:29 PM »
I was mostly told the rose hips was what they were attracted to... that said, i have found that they like Back berry brambles and always see the leaves eaten off by them. Damn things are like goats! Hell i've seen them eath the cedar boughs i cut from my tree stand before?  :o
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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2012, 07:29:17 AM »
I was mostly told the rose hips was what they were attracted to... that said, i have found that they like Back berry brambles and always see the leaves eaten off by them. Damn things are like goats! Hell i've seen them eath the cedar boughs i cut from my tree stand before?  :o

They do snarf the cedars for sure.  Maybe they eat the rose hips, the deer are so short here it might be rabbits eating them and you couldn't tell the difference...   :chuckle:

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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2012, 07:36:24 AM »
 Get the does in early like now with salt. then this summer start using apples keep the does in and the bucks will come,be ready in october!

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Re: Baiting blacktails
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2012, 10:52:02 AM »
My question was, taking on face value someone sitting in a tree deer hunting over bait, even with an unnotched bear tag in their pocket, would they have a reasonable expectation of NOT getting a ticket for bear hunting?   :dunno:  I generally have all of my transport tags together with my hunting license and would not think about removing my bear tag while sitting over an apple pile while deer hunting.

Lokidog - While having your unnotched bear tag in your pocket alone is not sufficient evidence that you're hunting bear over bait, our Officers are expected to look at the totality of the circumstances in any situation to determine whether a violation is being committed, or whether there is intent to violate the law. That being said, it's probably a good idea to leave the unnotched bear tag at home, just to avoid any confusion or conflict. In ANY instance where you're concerned that your activity could or may be misconstrued as illegal by an officer, it's a good idea to modify that activity to alleviate any question of your intentions.  :twocents: -OG

 


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