What does "Traditional" mean to you ?

[NWWABOWHNTR]

hell call them Star Trek weapons I don't care.

 Hey, no electronics now.

Heck with a light saber I might not get rocks thrown at me by Bigfoot this year!  Go ahead Matt post my texts from last year......

[huntnphool]

hell call them Star Trek weapons I don't care.

 Hey, no electronics now.

Heck with a light saber I might not get rocks thrown at me by Bigfoot this year!

 I think light sabers were from Star WARS not Star Trek 

[TheHunt]

Star Trek use phasors

[NWWABOWHNTR]

hell call them Star Trek weapons I don't care.

 Hey, no electronics now.

Heck with a light saber I might not get rocks thrown at me by Bigfoot this year!

 I think light sabers were from Star WARS not Star Trek 

There is a difference?  LOL  Tells you how traditional I am... :-)

[Lowedog]

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"Traditional" has little to do with the weapon, but about the attitude, it does not matter projectile.. bullet, or arrow. 
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To me, hunting is a tradition.  It matters not to me what weapon I hunt with.  Rifle, muzzy or bow, whichever season it is, just allows me to hunt.  That is why I will pay the extra $185 for a multi tag every year. 

[44 Flattop]

Go ahead and feel good about yourself as you use your recurve, but your synthetic string, modern broadhead, Ford F250, Garmin GPS, and Kenetrek boots are all rather hypocritical. 

How about an Ford F150?   

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

The first bows were invented 64,000 years ago.  The first bows with heads attached to arrows with sinew was 16,000 years ago.  To claim that a bow outfit designed and invented 20-40 years ago is ridiculous.  It's not even close to what has been considered primitive or traditional to the invention of a bow over time.  Go ahead and feel good about yourself as you use your recurve, but your synthetic string, modern broadhead, Ford F250, Garmin GPS, and Kenetrek boots are all rather hypocritical.  In the end, it depends on the person you ask to what is traditional.  But to claim that a brief time in recent advancements is somehow traditional is crazy.  People just 500 years ago would think the equipment Howard Hill and Fred Bear used was modern.  How are they the standard at which we should set for traditional?  Who says you get to decide?  You (or Fred Bear or Howard Hill) get to decide a point in the 99.8% history at which there have been bows to decide to draw the "traditional" line?  This is fun stuff!  Can we argue anymore about nothing?

     You are arguing with yourself.  My traditional values go back hundreds of years.  Not 64000.  What was your family doing then?  Fred Bear and Howard Hill both set traditions in modern day recurve and long bow hunting not just within there family's but within most traditional archery hunters and there familys today.  People that choose to limit themselfs with traditional weapons I applaud. 
      My family used iron sights and lever action rifles to provide winter meat.  That's traditional to me.  Doing it the way it was taught to me by my family.  Since a use a bow I get less traditional value out of it.  Primitive is not tradition.  Tradition is a bond between me and my family and the woods we love so much.  My friends I hunt with every sept just setting up camp is tradition.  New traditions will start this year for many of us.  Some will end.  I look forward to sharing traditions with my son every year as he matures.  Good topic stickandstring.

Bob

[pianoman9701]

Who says you get to decide?  You (or Fred Bear or Howard Hill) get to decide a point in the 99.8% history at which there have been bows to decide to draw the "traditional" line?  This is fun stuff!  Can we argue anymore about nothing?

Actually, it's the title of the thread that says he gets to decide - for himself. Keep it light. I don't think anyone here is arguing, only saying what traditional means to them. If it doesn't mean the same to you, who cares? It's just supposed to be a fun discussion. But, I'm quite sure that the question posed WASN'T "What does 'traditional' mean to Popeshawnpaul? 

[boneaddict]

I try to make improvements to myself or my skills versus spending money for gear etc.   Granted, I look at my backpack, my sharpening stone, my sleeping bag and am ashamed to think I might be roughing it.  Granddad was out there in wool and his backpack would scare you.  I have it displayed proudly at my home,  What my Dad had.   I try to push myself harder.   I do without alot of the claimed gear, gps, cellphone, rangefinder etc.   I do use binos, though they aren't "top of the line" though way better than they used to be.   I do wear leather boots.  I still mostly wear cotton and wool, though I have been eyeballing some Sitka gear.  I use a longbow.  It is laminated, but it does lack let off, wheels, site, or release.   Its the full pull of 80 pounds of string biting into my leather grip.  I don't rely on a pin but what my instinct from practice tells me.    I use carbon arrows, but am looking into making my own, using my own birds feathers, and I have been gathering materials to make my own heads.    I am trying.  We'll see if It happens.   Honestly if I thought I could do the animal justice or had the mentor to make it perfect, I'd be doing it already.   My way of doing things is no better than anyone elses'.  It is my favorite way of doing it though. 

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Every time I see a post of yours with you in the back country 14 miles in by yourself w the long bow and a tarp.  I show my brother who hunts recurve and we both have a great appreciation to your style of hunting bone.  Great post and I can't wait to see more of your traditional kills stone broanheads or not 

[boneaddict]

Thanks DIY.   We'll make the best of whatever the WDFW will dole out for us.

[Snapshot]

“Traditional” means to me that the simple, historic meaning of “archery” has been replaced by something completely foreign to me. [Yeah, it is stuck in my craw just a little bit.]

In the mid-late 1960’s I began shooting with fiberglass or wood arrows and a solid fiberglass bow that my older brothers had found in an overgrown field. When I was about eleven years old I was given a used Shakespeare recurve and aluminum arrows so that I could prepare for my first hunting season which occurred at the age of twelve. [Dad wouldn’t allow the use of wood arrows because of stories he had heard or read of them splintering during the archer’s paradox. He was weird that way.] By age thirteen or fourteen I had a brand new recurve, a Bear Grizzly.

But by the time I graduated high school I had laid down my bows because I had been told that compounds were the future and that I’d one day have to switch. They didn’t interest me so I quit. Fifteen or so years later I found that true bows were still around and that some resurgence had taken place in their interest. And so I dusted off my Grizzly, bought some aluminum arrows (with plastic vanes as I was told they were all that people could use in Washington; this was my first lesson in how merchants try to dictate archery’s direction just to make a sale) and got back into archery, and then soon after that bowhunting (but feathers had replaced the plastic!).

Within about six years’ time I began making wooden arrows, mostly from store bought shafts, but I also have hand-planed some from old fir stair treads, or from ash scraps salvaged from a cabinet shop waste barrel. I make my own strings, too, out of B-50, but I also have some frozen Eastern Grey squirrel hides that might one day become rawhide strings if the mood strikes.

Steel, fixed, two-blade broadheads are the only heads I’ve ever sharpened and shot. The first were Bear, then Zwickey and now single-bevel Grizzly. I’ve some Eclipse broadheads, too, but I have yet to find a bow/arrow combination that needs them. I’ve dabbled in knapping but I suck at it.

I also made my first selfbow about the time I began building arrows and have averaged about one bow every couple of years since, and have yet to make one that I want to hunt with. One day in the not-too-distant future I hope to carry into the woods a bow I made myself and slip a hand-planed shaft through the boiler room of a big game animal. I can imagine no greater accomplishment.

Now this whole journey has been dubbed ‘traditional’ so I guess that is what I am. But it still sticks in my craw, because it is really just archery. A string strung taut between the ends of a stick that bends and stores energy, which on its release transfers the energy of the bow to the arrow. It is so simple and so real.

[carpsniperg2]

I guess I should pipe in here as well. I shoot everything for selfbows to the most modern compounds. I love all types of archery! When someone says trad archery it makes me think of one thing. Stick and string! I don't care what it is made of or if it is a solid chunck of osage or a modern carbon limbed bow. No wheels or cables on the bow. As for a arrow I could care less as well. I shoot wood and carbon in my trad bows and also use steel and stone points. Whats right for one might not be right for others.

I do not like it when people say must be released with fingers. Everyone can have there own thoughts. I have a problem with my hands and it makes it very hard to shoot a recurve or long bow.  Most of my trad bows I shoot with a release because I have such a hard time with a glove or tab. There are many old styles of releases that date back a long way. Made by bow makers and some high power ones like black widow. Just because I use a release does not mean I am not hunting with trad gear to me. To some people it does even though I have problems, it does not matter to them.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

I gonna get a recurve ASAP just to practice my instinctive shooting.

[Kowsrule30]

Traditional to me is going into Big 5.. Picking up my 1st rifle... Savage 110 in .243 with a Buschnell 3-9x40 on her.... And they threw in a gun case with 2 boxes of the deadliest mushroom in the woods... Went shooting for a day.... The next week we pulled into deer camp and set up our tent and met some hunting buddies up there...... All made the plan for opening am... I posted while they drove a wood lot... Shot my first deer that day.....Haven't missed a season since with my Dad... That's Tradition to me... Don't carry the Old Girl very much now but think I might this year for deer....