WDFW Poll

[boneaddict]

I wonder if the WDFW ever poll their employee's about this topic. 

Do you fish
Do you hunt
Do you trap
Do you own a gun

I have so wondered that

[Dhoey07]

The number of members on this forum are a lot of votes toward the election process.  

Dave, awesome article.

that would seem to be the case yet we only got 118 people out of ?? to even vote on an anonymous poll (use pointer and click)  I think that speaks volumes about what is wrong in Washington

118 people in 2 days that thought this is an important enough to actually vote. Not everyone saw this poll right off the bat

[JimmyHoffa]

  It was hidden in the 'off topic' area.  I didn't see it until this afternoon when it made it to general discussion.

[runamuk]

It was hidden in the 'off topic' area.  I didn't see it until this afternoon when it made it to general discussion.

thats because it was originally the sort of topic that was deemed to not be favored by the "majority"  just saying watch how this goes I bet we get maybe another 118 votes so a couple hundred out of a forum with 10 thousand people...thats what....20% of the population as representation??  think for a minute that means 20% of a population is representing the majority this is kinda a sad situation 80% could disagree but they dont feel like sounding off so they go unrepresented .

[washelkhunter]

Thanks Mr. Workman. A very good article about the concerns and issues of Wa. St. hunters. I hope that it leads to a series of extremely frank discussions with our public servants. It cant go on like this. Again, thank you.

[washelkhunter]

It was hidden in the 'off topic' area.  I didn't see it until this afternoon when it made it to general discussion.

thats because it was originally the sort of topic that was deemed to not be favored by the "majority"  just saying watch how this goes I bet we get maybe another 118 votes so a couple hundred out of a forum with 10 thousand people...thats what....20% of the population as representation??  think for a minute that means 20% of a population is representing the majority this is kinda a sad situation 80% could disagree but they dont feel like sounding off so they go unrepresented .

This was not a hidden 'topic" nor was it deemed to "not be favored by the majority". What it is, is a big deal and I wanted it to be considered by the adults who pay the bills for WDFW. My intent was not to be exclusionary but serious. This poll is a shot across the bow of WDFW, its a wakeup call for them. They can no longer ignore or take the hunters in this state for fools. We are not just going to knuckle under and watch our brethren be trampled upon and priced out of the very thing that is perhaps the essence of humanity. The chance to HUNT.

[Dave Workman]

Thanks Mr. Workman. A very good article about the concerns and issues of Wa. St. hunters. I hope that it leads to a series of extremely frank discussions with our public servants. It cant go on like this. Again, thank you.

You're the one who cooked this up, not me.
I merely wrote about it.

AND: I added the same poll questions to the thread that my column started over on 'huntfish' forum. We'll see how it does over there.   


Thank You 



Oh, BTW.... It's 'Dave' 

[Elkaholic daWg]

 Saw that ...I was vote#4..... Now  6-0

[Dave Workman]

Saw that ...I was vote#4..... Now  6-0

It's straight NEGATIVE over there.  100% no confidence

I may have to do a follow-up column.
 

[Special T]

I voted wrong on this one, I guess i was having a stupid moment.

[Glockster]

I have written many letters of discontent to the WDFW over the years, especially when WA Waterfowl Association was fighting their destruction of our Skagit Wildlife Area public hunting opportunities.  In my experience, letters do absolutely no good unless they back up a position or course of action WDFW is already intent on. 

Their response is always that special touchy feely brand of passive aggressive Politically Correct BS ala "thank you for taking the time to write us about your concern over ____.  We realize this is a contentious issue for some stakeholders and we are in the process of conducting study X, study Y, and scoping study Z to employ best science practices in our decision making process.  However we are bound by law and policy to implement policy NO for now until we know the outcomes of studies X, Y &Z.  We look forward to continued public input on the matter"

Going to hearings is marginally better; at least you can give them some of the heat in person and confront the lies face to face.  Like when Lora Leschner told us that she would work to mitigate the Skagit losses with new hunting access and land purchases.  Her parting quip was that hunters could still access these areas in their aqua pods.  That was a good one. 

The only real hope for change is a real house cleaning.  We need a GAME DEPT.  The only hope for a real housecleaning is electing Rob McKenna and demanding that he do it if we give him our votes.....that's where our letters should be focused right now.

[Huntbear]

It was hidden in the 'off topic' area.  I didn't see it until this afternoon when it made it to general discussion.

thats because it was originally the sort of topic that was deemed to not be favored by the "majority"  just saying watch how this goes I bet we get maybe another 118 votes so a couple hundred out of a forum with 10 thousand people...thats what....20% of the population as representation??  think for a minute that means 20% of a population is representing the majority this is kinda a sad situation 80% could disagree but they dont feel like sounding off so they go unrepresented .

This was not a hidden 'topic" nor was it deemed to "not be favored by the majority". What it is, is a big deal and I wanted it to be considered by the adults who pay the bills for WDFW. My intent was not to be exclusionary but serious. This poll is a shot across the bow of WDFW, its a wakeup call for them. They can no longer ignore or take the hunters in this state for fools. We are not just going to knuckle under and watch our brethren be trampled upon and priced out of the very thing that is perhaps the essence of humanity. The chance to HUNT.

This is all well and good, and it is a good start.

HOWEVER, until ALL hunters band together as one voice... the WDFW wins everytime. 

ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS THIS...

Give the bow hunters something that the muzzy guys do not get, or take away something from the rifle hunters and give it to the muzzy hunters..  US HUNTERS WILL START INFIGHTING, AND THE WDFW SITS BACK AND LAUGHS.. AND GETS WHATEVER THE F%CK THEY WAY.... 

AND YES I AM YELLING.... 

[runamuk]

It was hidden in the 'off topic' area.  I didn't see it until this afternoon when it made it to general discussion.

thats because it was originally the sort of topic that was deemed to not be favored by the "majority"  just saying watch how this goes I bet we get maybe another 118 votes so a couple hundred out of a forum with 10 thousand people...thats what....20% of the population as representation??  think for a minute that means 20% of a population is representing the majority this is kinda a sad situation 80% could disagree but they dont feel like sounding off so they go unrepresented .

This was not a hidden 'topic" nor was it deemed to "not be favored by the majority". What it is, is a big deal and I wanted it to be considered by the adults who pay the bills for WDFW. My intent was not to be exclusionary but serious. This poll is a shot across the bow of WDFW, its a wakeup call for them. They can no longer ignore or take the hunters in this state for fools. We are not just going to knuckle under and watch our brethren be trampled upon and priced out of the very thing that is perhaps the essence of humanity. The chance to HUNT.

Never said it was hidden you posted it in a board ignored by much of the membership, so it wasn't where the majority could see it and now it is and I still stand by my position that it wont attain a majority of votes.  I never said it wasn't serious it is but unfortunately the vast majority of your hunting brethren wont even take time to click on a poll, thus further illuminating the problem affecting all of us.  I think they call it apathy, then when you choose to eat your own as in rant at people like myself and others who are actually on your side and in agreement it further degrades the prospects of gathering support.

[Dave Workman]

This is all well and good, and it is a good start.

HOWEVER, until ALL hunters band together as one voice... the WDFW wins everytime. 

ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS THIS...

Give the bow hunters something that the muzzy guys do not get, or take away something from the rifle hunters and give it to the muzzy hunters..  US HUNTERS WILL START INFIGHTING, AND THE WDFW SITS BACK AND LAUGHS.. AND GETS WHATEVER THE F%CK THEY WAY.... 

AND YES I AM YELLING.... 

Amigo, you have just defined what is really wrong with Resource Allocation, and why I went on the warpath about it back in the 1980s while working as Washington Editor of the now-defunct Fishing & Hunting News.

Several people here have generously given a  for my column, and there will be a follow-up in TheGunMag.com, where I am senior editor, and at the Examiner probably tomorrow or Friday after more people have the chance to weigh in.

Some folks here, Bearpaw and Wacenturion, remember when F&H News essentially declared war on what the late Bill Farden felt was crummy fish and game management when the "new" philosophy of the Fish & WILDLIFE Department became SOP.

Fighting that fight has cost people on this forum, including me. But it was the right fight to pick, and it remains so today.

This poll is hardly scientific, but as I wrote in my Examiner column, http://www.examiner.com/article/hunters-lack-confidence-wa-wildlife-agency sometimes this kind of poll allows for a better, more personal look at what people think because you guys are weighing in.

Glockster is spot-on about what it will take to change this, and that's a change in the governor's office. It will also require a change in leadership in the Legislature, from Democrat to Republican (and conservative) control, and that's got to last at least four years to start undoing the damage that has been done for the past quarter-century.

OF COURSE we're not all on the same page. Intelligent adults do not always agree on every point.

But the time has come to push out - of - the -way those who would:
a) Go along to get along
b) Devote their time to being apologists for WDFW
c) Come to this and similar forums as essential trolls

We either fight together or not

[blackdog]

It is the Commission members that I have no confidence in but that isn't one of the choices.