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Re: Bad write up about leg hold traps,
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2012, 07:55:16 PM »
Don't biologists frequently use leghold traps to catch animals for collaring and testing etc?? :dunno:
Yes, they use them all the time for that. The number one tool for capturing wolves.
There is nothing wrong with leghold traps. Foot hold is the preferred term as the traps catches the animal by the foot not the leg. The problems come up when they are not checked often enough. We can get a permit for a foothold trap but we have to check every 24 hours. USDA does not. 48 hours even three days is probably OK and I think in this state USDA isn't letting things go to bad but that is not the case everywhere.
OR trappers are in a fight right now over trap check laws. In OR trappers have to check every 48 hours but Wildlife Services can and does leave traps unchecked for as long as 30 days. Private trappers get the blame from the sins of a few. Because of this OR trappers may have to go to a 24 hour check which is stupid for a majority of sets but the law still won't apply to the Feds. Nothing changes for them but we get screwed.
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Re: Bad write up about leg hold traps,
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2012, 08:05:49 PM »
Thank you humptulips that was what I thought and the ones I saw in use didn't seem to be bad at all and yes foothold is a better description of what they do.

I think they like emphasizing leg hold terminology because people immediately see a huge old rusty metal claw like trap big enough to catch a small rhino...and since that is the perception of the general audience they are trying to sway it works for them to not bother using real images of real traps.  Not saying its right but that is how wars are won these days swaying public opinion with half truths and outright lies if needed.

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Re: Bad write up about leg hold traps,
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2012, 10:19:01 PM »
By Tom Knudson The Sacramento Bee
Sunday, May. 20, 2012

Two U.S congressmen – one a Republican, the other a Democrat – are calling for a congressional investigation of the federal government's wildlife damage control program.
Citing a recent series of articles in The Bee, Reps. John Campbell, R-Irvine, and Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., say they plan to ask Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Vista, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, to conduct a hearing on the federal Wildlife Services program, which specializes in killing animals deemed to be a threat to agriculture, the public and the environment.

"We have an agency that appears to be wasting federal dollars and actually causing harm while doing it, but yet perhaps covering up what they are doing and why. That's something Congress should investigate," Campbell said.
Wildlife Services officials declined to comment. "We will not speculate on this," agency media coordinator Lyndsay Cole said in an email.

"They are incredibly secretive and obviously are not willing to change and have thus far been successfully protected," said DeFazio, who, along with Campbell, introduced a bill in March to ban Wildlife Services' use of the poisons sodium cyanide and Compound 1080 for predator control.

The Bee series, which began April 29, found the agency targets wildlife in ways that have accidentally killed thousands of non-offending animals, including family pets and federally protected golden eagles. It also found its blanket killing of predators is stirring concern among scientists about unintended ecological consequences, and its lethal force on behalf of ranchers and other "cooperators" is generally carried out with little or no public notice.

"I learned a number of things that I didn't know, even though I am obviously already involved with this topic," said Campbell.
Peter Orwick, executive director of the American Sheep Industry Association, reacted differently. "I was just very, very disappointed," he said. "It's just rolling out the animal rights agenda and all their unfounded attacks on the agency."

"It's the right time to have the debate," said Carter Niemeyer, former Wildlife Services district supervisor, who was quoted in the series. "It seems as good a time as ever to talk it out and see if this is where the public thinks we should be – and where the Congress thinks we should be."

Orwick defended federal predator control.
"We are talking about our livelihood," he said. "We are talking about the animals we raise, that we take a lot of pride in. When you have the public's wildlife – whether it's wolves or coyotes or bears – tearing apart the animals you spend every day with, it is a passionate issue."

Ranchers, he added, should not be expected to resolve such conflicts on their own. "Shouldn't they, in return for providing tens of millions of acres of habitat for the public's wildlife, be able to ask for just a small share of expertise from county, state and federal government to help with these conflicts when they arise? That's the bottom line."

Niemeyer said many ranchers already benefit from low-cost federal grazing fees on public lands. And predators, he added, should be strategically removed, not trapped, snared, poisoned and gunned down from the air in ways he said are often excessive, inhumane, indiscriminate and expensive.
"Why in the world should you and I pay for the federal government to fly around in helicopters for a handful of sheep men in this country, blasting coyotes year around," Niemeyer said. "Most of those coyotes have never been involved in (livestock) depredations. …

"I think there are many roles (Wildlife Services) can play," Niemeyer added. "Corrective control is one thing. But to go out and do pre-emptive killing of large predators, coyotes on up, just seems to be an outmoded method of dealing with problems."
DeFazio said: "Ranchers have every right to kill a predator which is preying on their livestock. That's not a question here.
"The federal government does have an obligation to protect the safety of the flying public and to protect people against predators that have become a threat. There is no discussion or argument about that.

"It's these indiscriminate practices that are ineffective and the waste of money to subsidize private undertakings that is in question."

Reform efforts will face stiff resistance. "The government revolves around agriculture and the agriculture lobby," said Niemeyer. "They absolutely call the shots. It's bizarre, the power they carry."

Another issue for DeFazio and Campbell: transparency.
"Why won't they let anyone go with them to see what they are doing? Why is there such a shroud of secrecy?" said Campbell. "Whose interests are they serving? That is the sort of thing we need to find out."
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Re: Bad write up about leg hold traps,
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2012, 12:13:22 AM »
It brings back bad memories of our defeat here in washington, baldfaced lies swallowed up by city dwellers that dont know the facts...post this on trapperman so we can spread the word.

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Re: Bad write up about leg hold traps,
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2012, 07:12:41 PM »
Pretty much been flogged to death on Trapperman.

If you don't know Trapperman is down and has been for almost two days. I understand the radical AR types have instigated a bot attack and took down the site. Might be a few days before it is up and running again.
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Re: Bad write up about leg hold traps,
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2012, 11:31:51 PM »
Yea, I noticed it was down, was wondering what was up..

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Re: Bad write up about leg hold traps,
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2012, 12:10:41 PM »
Sounds like this is a 'campaign' in multiple states primarily targeted against WS.  That makes it a National-level issue and a mission for the National Trappers Association to counter this campaign in the press and quietly, but officially, tell WS we expect them to not give ammunition to the antis.  From the NTA website: "The National Trappers Association is committed to defending and promoting the safe and ethical harvest of furbearing mammals and ..."  I guess we should make sure NTA knows about this and ask them what they are doing.  I haven't joined NTA because I saw that trapping battles were fought at the State and local levels.  If NTA responds to this battle and things like it effectively I will join.  If not ...

 


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